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#1 mst

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 05:47 PM

Twp surprising news on the Leica website today:

 

1) they rename their camera portfolio. The compact cameras below the Leica M are now a Micro M (the camera formerly known as X2) and Nano M (tcfka D-Lux).

 

No comment...

 

2) They'll announce a new camera called "Mini M" on June 11th. My first thought was they'll introduce an entry level camera to the "real" M system, but this camera is already here (M-E). And given the renaming of the rest of their portfolio, I guess we can expect a system or compact camera with smaller sensor size (APS-C? Or finally mFT?).

 

They probably lost quite some users to Fuji's X-System and feel the need to answer. Will be interesting to see if the new camera starts a new system, and whether it has AF.

 

http://leicarumors.c...n-june-11.aspx/

 

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

DPR seems to think it will be a FF camera but without the rangefinder - i.e. a FF Leica point and shoot!



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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:00 PM

Technically, this would be the easiest approach. The advantage would obviously be that the rest of the system is already there.

However, I have some doubts if such a camera would actually be attractive. Without the rangefinder, Leica would cut off one of the definig features of M cameras. And even if it could be produced cheapee than a "full" M camera, it would probably not be cheap. And still lack AF.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:50 PM

I'm not overly familiar with Leica's "lower" offerings, but in a quick look the X2 is an APS-C fixed lens camera. Could the Mini M then be a full frame fixed lens camera, like the Sony RX1?

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

I'm not overly familiar with Leica's "lower" offerings, but in a quick look the X2 is an APS-C fixed lens camera.

Yes, correct. And the compact cameras (D-Lux, V-Lux) are basically rebranded Panasonic cams.

Could the Mini M then be a full frame fixed lens camera, like the Sony RX1?

Also possible, yes.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

Wow, their marketing department has been working overhours I see, copying Apple's naming scheme. With those min and nano additions, I wonder if can/will be sued by Apple.

 

Also they downgrade their own strong brand, Leica M. The M stood for the M line, for the traditional Leica M range finder born in the 1920's. Now it stands for marketing babble? Maybe April follows May this year?



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:00 AM

I would certainly welcome April, the weather over here seems to be stuck in November mode...

It's not Leica's first attempt to copy Apple. They've been doing so for a while with their stores and also tried to imitate the keynotes (not very successfully, though...). Oh, and anyone remember that white M8.2?

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:55 AM

Let's hope (for Klaus' sanity) that it's not a completely new system ;)

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 05:56 PM

I recall that Leica made official their collaboration with Apple in terms of camera design. I wonder whether that means complete brand overhaul. I am not Leica user, but I hope Leica maintain their originality and not become iLeica. Plus it is good to know that someone somewhere is different, maintains high quality, and comes with different ideas once in awhile.



 



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Posted 27 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

Although the new M brought many surprises, I believe Leica is still conservative compared to other mirrorless brands. My bet is on a "mini" with a FF sensor and rangefinder mechanism removed. That's quite an innovation for Leica! :) ...

 

But still, I cannot stop thinking of an APS-C body with EVF (rangefinder removed) + AF + a new cropped lens family... Could steal a lot of (potential) FujiFilm customers...

 

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:10 AM

Although the new M brought many surprises, I believe Leica is still conservative compared to other mirrorless brands. My bet is on a "mini" with a FF sensor and rangefinder mechanism removed. That's quite an innovation for Leica! :) ...

 

But still, I cannot stop thinking of an APS-C body with EVF (rangefinder removed) + AF + a new cropped lens family... Could steal a lot of (potential) FujiFilm customers...

 

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With Leica prices you can never steal customers ;)



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:36 AM

With Leica prices you can never steal customers ;)

 

Fair point :) ...



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:43 PM

Leicarumors has some new information. It seems the Mini M will be a X-type camera (APS-C) with a (fixed) zoom lens.

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 01:16 PM

Leicarumors has some new information. It seems the Mini M will be a X-type camera (APS-C) with a (fixed) zoom lens.

-- Markus

 

Then that would not make it a camera placed inbetween the M and the X2, but only a new compact next to the X2...

 

I will call them as follows:

 

Leica M

Meeny

Miny

Moe :D ...

 

 

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 10:18 PM

The specs have hit rumour sites. In short: APS-C fixed zoom lens 18-46mm f/3.5-6.4. Anyone interested?

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 02:59 PM

Great to know that the naming scheme isn't so silly: The new camera is called Leica X Vario.

Sillier are the price ( 2150, 2450, $2,850), and the silly lens specs: Leica Vario Elmar 18-46 mm f/3.5-6.4 ASPH, no image stabilization. What is the point for making the sensor APS-C size, when you put a fixed lens as lame as that on it.

 

Maybe Leica wanted to make the Canon G1 X look really amazing?



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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:11 PM

Actually I quite like it.

To be honest I never quite understood why the manufacturers mostly supply high end digicams with prime lenses.

As you know the Canon G1X (and Sony RX100) has a smaller sensor so the lens can be smaller as well.

Compared to the Canon, the Leica isn't even much heavier - just deeper.

 

However, yes, the Leica will have a tough time to compete against something like the Fuji X-E1 w/18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS.


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:08 PM

Actually I quite like it.

To be honest I never quite understood why the manufacturers mostly supply high end digicams with prime lenses.

As you know the Canon G1X (and Sony RX100) has a smaller sensor so the lens can be smaller as well.

Compared to the Canon, the Leica isn't even much heavier - just deeper.

The Canon has a 1.85x crop sensor, the Leica a 1.5x one.

 

To put it in FF equivalency terms then:

The Leica has a 27-69mm f5.25-9.6 lens (FF equivalent).

The Canon has a 15.1-60.4mm f/2.8-5 lens, so a 27.9-111.7mm f5.18-9.25 FF equivalent.

 

As you know, the Canon sensor is not that small at all, and its lens specs are more than equivalent to the Leica (see above).

 

Same goes for the Sony RX100. Is has a sensor that is smaller: 2.7x crop factor. Its lens: 10.4-37.1mm f1.8-4.9. Equivalent to: 28-100mm f4.86-13.2

 

The "lens can be smaller as well" argument does not fly, and anyway it does not make that 2000+ /$ camera with fixed small aperture zoom lens without IS any more attractive...

 

Like I said above, it seems like Leica wants to make the G1 X look amazing... It has the better lens specs, swivel screen and better functionality, for a price that is 4x lower  :o

 

However, yes, the Leica will have a tough time to compete against something like the Fuji X-E1 w/18-55mm f/2.8-4 OIS.



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Posted 13 June 2013 - 03:06 PM

The Canon has a 1.85x crop sensor, the Leica a 1.5x one.

 

To put it in FF equivalency terms then:

The Leica has a 27-69mm f5.25-9.6 lens (FF equivalent).

The Canon has a 15.1-60.4mm f/2.8-5 lens, so a 27.9-111.7mm f5.18-9.25 FF equivalent.

 

As you know, the Canon sensor is not that small at all, and its lens specs are more than equivalent to the Leica (see above).

 

Same goes for the Sony RX100. Is has a sensor that is smaller: 2.7x crop factor. Its lens: 10.4-37.1mm f1.8-4.9. Equivalent to: 28-100mm f4.86-13.2

 

The "lens can be smaller as well" argument does not fly, and anyway it does not make that 2000+ /$ camera with fixed small aperture zoom lens without IS any more attractive...

 

Like I said above, it seems like Leica wants to make the G1 X look amazing... It has the better lens specs, swivel screen and better functionality, for a price that is 4x lower  :o

 

Both the Sony and the Canon have retractable lenses, don't they ? As such a fair size comparison should be done in working mode.

 

Anyway, the target audience of this camera will not consider something else anyway (other than a Leica M).


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