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#1 Klaus

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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:06 AM

http://shop.lomograp.../jupiter-3-plus


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 10:42 AM

 

 

"a resurrection from the zenith of Russian premium optics"


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Posted 25 January 2016 - 11:04 AM

  Funny this lens follows my post on the Zenith 3M with it's early adoption of the 39mm Leica  thread mount......the F2 version  lens was often coupled to the Zorki 3, it must have had some sort of range-finder coupling there........

 

............I remember years ago the Jupiter 8 50mm F2 lens being reviewed on the Zorki in Amateur Photography magazine........(I think with lens that it cost about  £40)........they used views of the Thames embankment with the associated ships moored there in B+W as the test shot............ it was mushy soft at the edges and needed seriously stopping down.......... 

 

   Now the F1.5+ is  $600!..........except on......

 

  Ebay..........here the going rate is around £135.....a bit more like it!.....I wonder what it cost then?

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...lens&_sacat=625

 

In Blunty's Utube review of the lens he "waxes lyrically" about the lenses qualities..........it seems to be very special.........

 

 

 

 Those wanting one better get one quickly.....I dare say the S/H prices will double after this announcement!!

 

 

 Spent the evening looking at Zorki 4Ks for sale....   :unsure:



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Posted 26 January 2016 - 08:20 AM

When the ugly is trendy again, someone is inevitably going to cash in on it... *facepalm*

But of late, the fad for not only using, but commercially resurrecting - at overblown prices - old junk that has been rightfully buried in the dust of time - is accelerating. Thankfully it's only that - a fad, so give it some time and stuff like this (I'm sure all of you can name quite a few extra examples) will return to the burial ground of history.



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Posted 26 January 2016 - 10:02 AM

When the ugly is trendy again, someone is inevitably going to cash in on it... *facepalm*

But of late, the fad for not only using, but commercially resurrecting - at overblown prices - old junk that has been rightfully buried in the dust of time - is accelerating. Thankfully it's only that - a fad, so give it some time and stuff like this (I'm sure all of you can name quite a few extra examples) will return to the burial ground of history.

  I was with you on that Rover....however looking at a further video which compares the Jupiter9 vs the Samyang with a view to video footage, there is something to say for a lens which has low contrast and hazy flare wide open, it clearly shows that Samyang's perfect contrast rendering actually darkened  the shadows too  much removing atmosphere and colour in the shot......not to mention the very excellent round diaphragm which truly remains round when heavily stopped down, given it does also sharpen up nicely. 

  We are "wowed" on Canon/Nikons nine round bladed iris's........ when we are seeing fifteen bladed Russian lenses? they seemed to have little trouble doing it cheaply and are out there still functioning away forty years on.

 

  The aspect that makes it difficult to swallow is the S/H examples out there at about the right price.

 

 

 

  If I find one at the right price I'll buy it........I came across one yesterday on "le bon coin" site, but the guy was wanting to sell the whole kit which was based on a Kiev.



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 04:26 AM

This is probably not definitive, but seems like a reasonable discussion of the zenith of Russian premium optics:

 

http://www.camapart....1-5-lens-review

 

[...] the 1.5 maximum aperture is indicative of lens' ancestry from mid-century Zeiss design [...] and Zeiss crown achievement at the time, the magnificent Sonnar.
[...] it quickly become the dominant design for super-fast lenses of the next two decades. Some popular knock-offs of it included:
  • Jupiter-3 1.5/50, the primary subject of this article;

The story of the Jupiter (the Roman interpretation of Zeiss.. er, Zeus) is complicated. In the build-up of World-War II, the USSR and Nazi Germany collaborated on a number of issues, including cross-licensing of optical designs. However, Sonnar did not get a chance to surface in the East until the hostilities broke. [...] Krasnogorsk mechanical plant near Moscow (known as KMZ) picked up the designs, the coating technology, a number of lens parts and intact chunks of Schott glass, and set up the manufacturing. It was actively helped by key Zeiss engineers, so by early 1950s the production was in full swing. The original German glass did not run out until 1954; after that, however, most designs were recalculated by KMZ to accommodate for domestic types of glass.


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Posted 27 January 2016 - 10:57 AM

Ok guys..... just put my analyst  on danger money! :blink: ......

 

 I think I've just purchased a Zorki 4  50th anniversary edition (50 years from the 1917 Russian Revolution) with a Jupiter 8 50mm F2 lens (nine blades) in what looks like very good condition with leather case.....thumb-wheel film advance...........50€ including postage. 

   

   It has a problem with range-finder calibration, so the guy let it go cheap....I've found a site which shows how to calibrate the system. The lens flange distance is 28.2mm.

 

  ....i haven't shot a roll of film for years.....looking forward to it.......I'll try a roll of 25 ASA B+W..

 

 

  hey ho.......



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 11:49 AM

Flange distance for M39 is 28.8mm... Are you sure it has 28.2mm?

 

Which reminds me, I still have some B/W ISO 400 film in my Agfa Record II with Agfa Solinar 105mm f4.5 (about 45mm f1.9 FF equivalent). If I remember correctly, I still have two frames left  :ph34r:

 

More comparable to your "new" Ruski, I have a Kodak Retina rangefinder which should still work fine. Fixed 50mm lens.



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 02:01 PM

Flange distance for M39 is 28.8mm... Are you sure it has 28.2mm?

 

Which reminds me, I still have some B/W ISO 400 film in my Agfa Record II with Agfa Solinar 105mm f4.5 (about 45mm f1.9 FF equivalent). If I remember correctly, I still have two frames left  :ph34r:

 

More comparable to your "new" Ruski, I have a Kodak Retina rangefinder which should still work fine. Fixed 50mm lens.

Hi BC..

 

..You know me BC, in between looking up the flange distance and writing it down I always make some sort of  error.....yes 28.8mm,........then it's just a question of finding an adapter for the Pentax K mount for my very appropriate K01 with focus peaking........I will check it out....



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 02:50 PM

Hi BC..

 

..You know me BC, in between looking up the flange distance and writing it down I always make some sort of  error.....yes 28.8mm,........then it's just a question of finding an adapter for the Pentax K mount for my very appropriate K01 with focus peaking........I will check it out....

Uhmm, that won't work? The K01 is about the only "mirrorless" camera with "mirrorbox", giving it a flange distance of 45.46mm.

I think it will be hard to find an adapter with a thickness of -16.66mm? It would fit just fine on my cheap EOS M with the M39 adapter I got from... China.

 

​Probably I am misunderstanding your post?



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 05:05 PM

Hi BC.....

               No misunderstanding!

 

            Whilst there does not seem to be an off the shelf solution adapter wise that gives infinity focus to the Pentax mount....... there is however a ROXSEN adapter which is 39mm Leica thread to Pentax K mount which is obviously going to be too short .....however removing the bayonet on one of the adapters would give ....Leica thread to flat flange......with an appropriate spacer the second adapter could be screwed to the first creating the appropriate 16.6mm overall distance......the adapters are only £4.90 each......from UK

 

   A friend from my aircraft model club has a decent lathe...........

 

 

http://www.ebay.co.u...sd=151667938993

 

 

  It is a pity that there doesn't seem to be an off the peg adapter.......for just about every other mount there is something.....Pentax is a bad choice for adapting lenses......



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 05:32 PM

minus 16.6mm?  :unsure:



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 05:36 PM

   Oh shit!!  Got it the wrong way round........Oh well I'll just forget the whole project then!  Derr....

 

 

  Thanks for the info BC!



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Posted 27 January 2016 - 06:23 PM

You know, my homeland is renowned for many things, but consumer optics was never one of them. Therefore, I can't help but facepalm when someone is trying to peddle the remnants of past attempts to copy a better product (in this case a pre-war German lens) as something unique, exotic or even desirable... at inflated prices. This is not an isolated case, of course, nor it is really exclusive to Soviet stuff - we all remember the "Petzval lenses" (with the 85mm and one other) selling for more than the consumer Canon / Nikon stuff of the same focal length that provided vastly superior performance. Or the deplorable Meyer-Optik 100mm f/2.8 (that later became a 95mm f/2.6... they even stole 5mm of the focal length and some of the aperture number! :D) that the producer priced at $1600.

P.S. Haha - the link at the top is a 404 now. :D Maybe they came to their senses and desisted.

P.P.S. Just to make it clear - I can understand the desire to go all lo-fi and dreamy (sometimes I feel that urge as well), but there's a ton of ways to do this cheaply - over here, the second-hand shops are chock full of ancient lens fare - and it pains to see that someone is asking hefty money for the replicas of stuff that really should be gotten for peanuts and only serve as a toy.

I have the utmost respect for companies that make new and groundbreaking stuff - even if it's manual focus and therefore I'll never be in the target group (Samyang, Mitakon...) But this is another matter altogether.


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Posted 28 January 2016 - 01:50 PM

I'd say that Lomography lenses are primarily targeting the hipster-, retro- and art community.

These folks are willing to pay a little more for something special ... and special it is by today's standards.

The fact that it isn't state of the art is a different question.


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Posted 29 January 2016 - 02:50 PM

I'd say that Lomography lenses are primarily targeting the hipster-, retro- and art community.

These folks are willing to pay a little more for something special ... and special it is by today's standards.

The fact that it isn't state of the art is a different question.

Well, perhaps I should abstain, then. Actually, I can even sympathize with the "if the fool has money, better that he gives it to you - you'll find a much better use for it!" train of thought that these producers apparently espouse. :)






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