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#1 dave's clichés

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 07:44 AM

Well what after what seems like an eternity of cancellations and waiting............

 

..............the Pentax FF K1 has finally hit the ground...... apparently running!

 

  Bespangled with just about every available gizmo and gadget that any manufacturer has ever built in to a camera.....including.....IBIS, WiFi, GPS, Astrotracking, Tilting lunar landing type screen, pixel shifting technology....and a bunch more.....

 

.......it is already reviewed by Ephotozine:

 

https://www.ephotozi...rt-review-28884

 

 

 

   Although it isn't the most detailed review.......they do seem to like it.......5 stars agogo!

 

  Kudos to Ricoh/Pentax for getting the job done........their fans very much deserve it,....they have certainly been a patient bunch!



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 08:49 AM

"A floating mirror system reduces the size of the camera's mirror box so that the camera's depth is kept to a minimum, at 86mm compared to the Pentax K-3 II 76mm depth"

Puzzling.

Besides that weird screen construction and that they forgot to put a AA filter in, the main specs look very good. And the price is great too. Lets hope Pentax has improved AF accuracy too?

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 09:54 AM

  Early days, there's only a few rapports coming back from about AF, but all are saying how fast and accurate it is so far.....AF-C will be the big test!



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Posted 01 May 2016 - 12:50 AM

The wrong camera type at the right time ...


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Posted 02 May 2016 - 03:27 AM

The wrong camera type at the right time ...

Agreed, should be mirrorless. I used to be a Pentax user with many lenses but since buying an a7S i have lost patience with DSLR shortcomings and have little desire left to go back. 3-4 years ago I would have been excited about this camera and most certainly would have got one. I'm sure there are many other like me which can't bode for the success of Pentax. 

 

One thing I do miss with the a7S is the much superior build quality of the Pentax bodies. Maybe one day Sony will be forced to improve their game in that regard with some competition. However at the moment they are busy milking the market for as much as they can with the unjustified high prices of the a7SII and a7RII (how can they possibly cost twice the price compared to the a7 II given all components are essentially the same except the sensor design?)


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Posted 02 May 2016 - 06:56 AM

 Disagreed, Pentax would fall over dead trying....( as in, on it's back, feet in the air)

 

There's still this "small proportion of serious amateurs/pro photographers" ( :P  :D) out there in this world who like shooting DSLRs and reading here on this site one would imagine they are the minority........the fact is they are still the majority and by two thirds..... that's how it is!

 

  

 What's creating the big news out there at the moment?...........

 

  D5....D500...D80....1DXII.....and now the KI...... the world is focused on these cameras.....they are still way more important than Sony's A7 series!.....

 

Pentax is a traditional company producing DSLRs in the traditional style to a smaller customer base than Canikon, that's what it "is" as a company......based on reputation, , legacy lenses, and their current lens range.......... to throw all that away to "risk" it out against the Giants.... Sony, Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus and the like would be a disaster financially.......

 

...the change to mirror-less for them is a step too far in a market that is still "dominated" by the DSLR, the gamble to change their whole game and lens range and back what is effectively "the smaller market".....it's just not viable.

...Not doubt there has been many a Ricoh/Pentax board meeting about that very topic!

 

Mirror-less is getting there........but as yet cannot yet serve my photographic needs.......quite simply!

 

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Posted 02 May 2016 - 06:56 AM

 Oops!     



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Posted 02 May 2016 - 08:44 AM

Sony went mirrorless to create themselves a nice niche.
What is helping them most is the superiority of their sensors.
Having more compact body and a mirrorless system might have attracted some photographer but much less than the potential customers for their full frame DSLR.
Going against Sony there would have meant suicide.
Here no pro uses Sony, although some have a Sony body as backup.
I know more professionals here using leica than Sony. DSLR still has some time till mirrorless catches up
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Posted 05 May 2016 - 02:37 PM

The wrong camera type at the right time ...

 

Wrong ;)

It's definitely the right camera, a bit late but better late than never.

 

IMO the K-1 is incredibly well positioned. Still inexpensive for a FF DSLR, yet naturally being compared with the more expensive competition's models.

 

 

Agreed, should be mirrorless. I used to be a Pentax user with many lenses but since buying an a7S i have lost patience with DSLR shortcomings and have little desire left to go back. 3-4 years ago I would have been excited about this camera and most certainly would have got one. I'm sure there are many other like me which can't bode for the success of Pentax. 

 

Breaking news: there's a large DSLR buyers base, significantly outnumbering the MILC buyers. I believe the current ratio is around 2.7:1. The "should be mirrorless" mantra is baseless.

The Pentax K-1 is a direct response to the users' demand; it had to be a DSLR, because that's what we asked for. Sorry, Pentax is under no obligation to fix Sony's shortcomings :P

 

By the way, apparently it's the best selling FF DSLR in Japan:

http://bcnranking.jp...egory_0008.html

http://kakaku.com/ca...a/ranking_0049/

which of course is mostly due to the initial demand, but still it shows that people are buying it.

 

I doubt that - without a supporting APS-C range, without the dedicated user base, with only few lenses, and competing with Sony on a market with different demands - a MILC Pentax FF could had been even remotely as successful as the K-1.


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Posted 05 May 2016 - 03:28 PM

Pentax being the #1selling FF DSLR in Japan is good news.
This should put the pressure on others. It has been ages we are waiting for a successor of Canon 5D Mk3 and yes k1 is very tempting vs mk3
Also Pentax should be working on high quality glass for their FF SLR hopefully this will lead to more lenses coming from their subsidiary tokina,

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Posted 05 May 2016 - 04:04 PM

Well, the K-1 is not meant to be sold in large quantities - the initial production volume is a mere 7000 units per month (or slightly less than 1% of the total DSLRs). Sure, Pentax might have been underestimating the demand, again (for example, the demand for the 645z was about double the estimation); but this should give us an idea about the scale they're working with.

And that's perfectly fine :)

 

Tokina is definitely not a subsidiary of Pentax. None of the new lenses are Tokinas; two of them, the D FA 15-30 and the D FA 24-70, are rebadged Tamrons. The rest are Pentax.

 

We're expecting 4 FF primes and a FF fisheye zoom in "2017 or later":

http://www.ricoh-ima...ens_Roadmap.pdf


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Posted 06 May 2016 - 09:48 AM

 The K1 has the IQ to knock spots off even the Canon 50 Mps sensor in it's pixel shift mode, which increases resolution and reduces noise, any movement in the image is ignored.....an improvement over the K3II ...also hand held shooting can be used in the four consecutive shots.

 In this mode it will be the reference FF sensor.

 

 Just waiting for the test results!

 

  Tokina had an association with a few of the earlier DA* lenses, signs of that with the DA16-50mm F2.8 showing with the bothersome CAs.

 

 

 

Oh and can we put this "the DSLR is dead" mantra to bed, at least for the time being?

 

 Frankly it looks for all the world to be having one hell of a late night!



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Posted 06 May 2016 - 10:13 AM

Pentax being the #1selling FF DSLR in Japan is good news.
This should put the pressure on others. It has been ages we are waiting for a successor of Canon 5D Mk3 and yes k1 is very tempting vs mk3
Also Pentax should be working on high quality glass for their FF SLR hopefully this will lead to more lenses coming from their subsidiary tokina,

Pentax started to either jointly develop with, or use designs/products of Tokina in last 10 APS-C years. Tokina is part of the company that also has Kenko and Hoya brands. Hoya bought Pentax but that was not the most lucky partnership, now Ricoh bought Pentax and it looks like the Tokina link has been cut (Pentax now uses Tamron designs instead).

 

Sony has a stake in Tamron, by the way. And produces for instance the sensors for Pentax :P



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Posted 06 May 2016 - 11:21 AM

The lenses subject to the Pentax-Tokina collaboration were launched between 2004 and 2008 (without counting the re-made 100mm f/2.8 macro). AFAIK most were Pentax designs.

Pentax collaborated with Tamron in the past, even well before digital (and during the Pentax-Tokina collaboration). Of course, Pentax remains a reputed optical lens maker. They can, and do make lenses of their own.

One such example is the Pentax D FA* 70-200mm f/2.8, a very impressive design, with no less than 8 special glass elements.



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Posted 06 May 2016 - 12:24 PM

 Not forgetting the brief link with Samsung when they had duplicity models, the Samsung GX10 and the Pentax K10 followed by the Samsung GX20 and the Pentax K20.......the latter two had the 14.7 Mps Samsung sensor.......

 

 

 Unhappy with that collaboration Samsung split with Pentax and took it's own unfortunate mirror-less route resulting in it's photographic demise having brought to market a stream of less notable models, with what seemed like one of mirror-less's most accomplished and sophisticated sports cameras ever, the NX1!

 

  Still think it was a big shame.....the NX1 was just what many ML fans were looking for....just that Samsung didn't want hang in there.... while Pentax still marches "ironically" on.......

 

   Were there a few lessons learnt there in the Pentax board room do you think?


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Posted 12 May 2016 - 09:58 AM

At dpreview the Pentax K1 also is giving great results with dynamic range and noise control as good as it could be in DSLR land 

http://www.dpreview....w.dpreview.com/



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 10:08 AM

and pentax bashing never ceases



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Posted 17 May 2016 - 10:36 AM

and pentax bashing never ceases

 

I think this isn't bashing.

 

Pentax has all the skill to design a superb mirrorless camera ... yet they come up with the Q.

Pentax had a full format prototype at a time when it was important ... yet they delivered a production model 2 years after the camera hype collapsed.

Now they have a full format DSLR but few lenses. 

 

I think Pentax has a bunch of great engineers but miserable marketing and sales (and those two departments define where things are going no matter what R&D thinks about it).


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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:10 PM

An interesting but ultimately flawed point of view.

 

Pentax come up with the Q, and the K-01... when the choice of making a proper mirrorless camera system wasn't an option. Both were developed while Hoya was preparing to sell them to Ricoh.

 

The old full frame project was canceled because of the sensor, and the other camera using the same sensor (Contax) failed miserably.

 

Pentax has more FF K-mount lenses than the Sony FE.

 

Last but not least, going mirrorless - what you seems to think it's the "right" kind of camera - wouldn't solve any one of those points. On the contrary, on the lens side things would've been much more dire.


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Posted 17 May 2016 - 02:34 PM

Yes, maybe, but what does Ricoh/Pentax gain now? After the FF hype is slowly fading out and the mirrorless hype about to start? Coming up with a project which will rest like lead in the shelves? Which dealer will dare to present Pentax while there are so many equally good Canon/Nikon/Sony bodies out or expected? Having more lenses than Sony in the portfolio - what kind of surprise ist that meant to be?

 

I recall the times when Pentax came up with their LX. Exchangeable finders, state-of-the-art flash system, all very nice - and it never came even close to be a serious competitor to Nikon F3 or Canon F1 / A1. The lens portfolio had gaps others didn't and I have to say, I found Pentax to be too small (only for Japanese hands the right size) and their lenses looked like cheapo Beroflex, Dabubia or whatever was coming from Eastern Europe. Every other brand managed to have a more professional design than Pentax was able to do.






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