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#1 Klaus

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:28 PM

http://nikonrumors.c...evelopment.aspx


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:35 PM

I wonder if it means they are finally coming up with a proper mirrorless system.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:48 PM

I still can't understand why Nikon/Canon are ignoring this market.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:53 PM

I still can't understand why Nikon/Canon are ignoring this market.

 

They seem very short-sighted: I believe they are afraid it would canibalize their DSLR line.

What they still don't seem to get is that from a business point of view, it's much better to keep customers in, even if they buy into mirrorless instead of DSLRs, than having them switch to a different brand (say Fuji for instance :P)


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:06 PM

I think, Nikon is stronger in optics and mechanics than in electronics and software:

  • if I see how they struggle with WiFi,
  • how long it took them to be able to change aperture in LiveView video,
  • how long they had to come up with onboard AFMA,
  • how poor to use their RAW-converter is, after they were abandoning the NIK-version with U-points
  • how complicated and limited the flash system,
  • how poor the remote control app

 

I really still don't know if I wouldn't have looked somewhere else for a decent APS-C MILC. At the beginning I often thought, "the next version of the V3 I gonny try" but they kept changing the concept and after a while I was fed up with wiating for a better one. Especially because the sensor size was still a bit too small for me, but more important - I dodn't like they feel and the touch of the system, soem materials felt cheaper than the prices indicated.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:27 PM

Nikon stuggles in odd ways. Their 1 series is great AF wise. How is the live view AF and live view implementation on their DSLRs, meanwhile? It sucks. 

 

Not sure how those two facts can live side by side for all these years.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 03:43 PM

Simple try of explanation: They have different divisions for DSLR and System 1 and they don't interact or use synergies.



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Posted 17 August 2016 - 09:38 PM

Although I never used one, I really like the idea of the 1 series. The pricing never made sense though. The only interesting models were priced above their level.

 

As for the AF, was it really that good? Given the deeper effective DoF it just didn't need to be as good as a bigger sensor camera would need.

 

On the other side of the fence, I don't think Canon are ignorant of the mirrorless movement. Yes, there is Sony, Fuji, the micro4/3 system... are they really making that much of a dent? No. I suspect Canon are brewing something beyond the half-hearted play so far, maybe something as big even as the FD to EF shift.


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Posted 17 August 2016 - 10:29 PM

I just did again, what I did 3 years ago: Putting some Nikon 1 gear in a virtual bag. The body is not too expensive at first look around 600-650 $ with 18 MP, 20 fps (continuous AF, no shutter lag) or 60 fps (no AF), 160-12.800 ISO and 171 focuspoints. Sounds decent, no? But then: additional finder + grip + FT 1 adapter for FE lenses = 1350 $ or a kit with lens, finder, grip for around 1000 $ Not to mention half a dozen batteries... And two or three lenses of pretty slow apertures, oh yeah, very sexy... yawn.

 

It was never meant as something more serious than a second camera for wealthy people with big enough cupboards, there were no cool stories, no cool people using it, the pictures at the website don't look really good - I think it's an underestimated, overpriced camera (but this only because of expensive extras). No serious approach, on some of the PR pictures it looks like a toy camera. Rich guys toy... To convince more photogs, Nikon should have done some rental weeks - I think, after trying it I could feel it's worth or not, but buying into a probably dead end system? Only at less than half price!



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 09:25 AM

Nikon stuggles in odd ways. Their 1 series is great AF wise. How is the live view AF and live view implementation on their DSLRs, meanwhile? It sucks. 

 

Not sure how those two facts can live side by side for all these years.

Very true, I'm sure it's nothing to do with a lack of knowhow.

 

It's almost like there's a cold war pact between the DSLR brands, with the agreement stating that Canon is allocated the rights to PDAF in LV and movie mode, while Nikon gets the best sensors and 3D AF, which leaves Pentax to pick amongst the bones with quadpoidal LCD screens, astrotracer and IBS.......

 

  no one steps over the demarcation lines!



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 10:55 AM

I just did again, what I did 3 years ago: Putting some Nikon 1 gear in a virtual bag. The body is not too expensive at first look around 600-650 $ with 18 MP, 20 fps (continuous AF, no shutter lag) or 60 fps (no AF), 160-12.800 ISO and 171 focuspoints. Sounds decent, no? But then: additional finder + grip + FT 1 adapter for FE lenses = 1350 $ or a kit with lens, finder, grip for around 1000 $ Not to mention half a dozen batteries... And two or three lenses of pretty slow apertures, oh yeah, very sexy... yawn.

 

It was never meant as something more serious than a second camera for wealthy people with big enough cupboards, there were no cool stories, no cool people using it, the pictures at the website don't look really good - I think it's an underestimated, overpriced camera (but this only because of expensive extras). No serious approach, on some of the PR pictures it looks like a toy camera. Rich guys toy... To convince more photogs, Nikon should have done some rental weeks - I think, after trying it I could feel it's worth or not, but buying into a probably dead end system? Only at less than half price!

 


 

 

 

...there were no cool stories, no cool people using it, the pictures at the website don't look really good.

 

OK, I will give you this link one more time.

 

https://issuu.com/st...cs/hol_cambodia

 

If someone says that the photos and stories are “not cool” then I will give away my entire Nikon 1 system (2 bodies, 8 lenses) to anyone on Photozone who has cooler stories with whatever system they shoot with.

 

All shots except the cover were with the 18.5mm f1.8 @f1.8.

 

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it, right?

 

Oh, my kids at least think that I'm pretty cool.


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Posted 18 August 2016 - 11:24 AM

I was reading the DPReview review about the last 1 V version, which was V3. When I read something like

 

 

The grip feels solid and well made like the rest of all-metal camera, but the lock-on screw is plastic and feels cheap. It also blocks access to the V3's battery compartment, so you have to unscrew and remove it to swap batteries.

 

I only can shake my head.

 

Making a camera which needs "options" to become a fully usable camera - finder and grip where not without reason bundled in US - is one thing, doing these options so poorly, that you can't charge the battery in camera but need to remove the grip, which itself is costly and only giving one extra button... to me that says a lot about Nikon's design department.

 

If I turn my back to Nikon in the future, it's because a lot of their accessories are totally overpriced for what they give, they are hardly ever thinking outside of the box. No wonder, the Nikon 1 didn't turn out to be a good tool. As much interesting features it had, when it comes to speed, AF-reliability and -tracking, the downsides were too big to swallow to me.



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 11:27 AM

OK, I will give you this link one more time.

 

https://issuu.com/st...cs/hol_cambodia

 

If someone says that the photos and stories are “not cool” then I will give away my entire Nikon 1 system (2 bodies, 8 lenses) to anyone on Photozone who has cooler stories with whatever system they shoot with.

 

...

 

Oh, my kids at least think that I'm pretty cool.

 

 

And why haven't the Nikon guys taken your pictures? Look at their brochures and advertisement material - I think, the models they used would not be able to switch it even on.

 

It was my perception that Nikon 1 is a pretty expensive, but not necessarily cool system. You bought yours second-hand, I think, so the price is less an issue. Especially because these type of system looses a lot of value just by unpacking the box.



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Posted 18 August 2016 - 01:13 PM

 

 

 

 

 

OK, I will give you this link one more time.

 

https://issuu.com/st...cs/hol_cambodia

 

If someone says that the photos and stories are “not cool” then I will give away my entire Nikon 1 system (2 bodies, 8 lenses) to anyone on Photozone who has cooler stories with whatever system they shoot with.

 

All shots except the cover were with the 18.5mm f1.8 @f1.8.

 

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it, right?

 

Oh, my kids at least think that I'm pretty cool.

 

 

 

I love page 33! Very cool.


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Posted 19 August 2016 - 11:28 AM

 

 

 

 

 

OK, I will give you this link one more time.

 

https://issuu.com/st...cs/hol_cambodia

 

If someone says that the photos and stories are “not cool” then I will give away my entire Nikon 1 system (2 bodies, 8 lenses) to anyone on Photozone who has cooler stories with whatever system they shoot with.

 

All shots except the cover were with the 18.5mm f1.8 @f1.8.

 

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink it, right?

 

Oh, my kids at least think that I'm pretty cool.

 

What was the camera?  Liveview or did you use a finder?


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Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:09 PM

V1 with EVF.

One of the things that Nikon did which almost no one applauded with the V1 is that the look is very different to every other camera on the market.

Owners will tell you that it has a film-like look and feel. It is very much evident in print. And for 30x45cm the V1 has plenty of pixels.

Maybe it's the end of the line for the 1 system but I will still be shooting the V1 in 5 years time.
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Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:33 PM

Out of curiosity: why did you chose the V1 + 18.5mm f1.8 instead of any of these?

  1. Olympus E-M10 with Pana 20mm f1.7
  2. Panasonic GM5 with Pana 20mm f1.7
  3. Fuji X-T10 with Fuji 27mm f2.8

All 3 options above give you much better IQ, better DOF control and arguably better controls.

Additionnaly, option 2 is quite a bit more compact.

 

To me the Nikon 1 series only makes sense for wildlife where reach and AF are paramount.


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Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:54 PM

The Nikon 18.5mm is a 50mm f4.9 FF equivalent camera. The others you list are 40mm FF equivalent... A small but noticeable difference.

Reasons to get a V1 that I can see: When it was released, the other cameras did not yet exist? It is a Nikon, so a "natural" choice for a Nikon shooter? The Fuji with its odd CFA pattern makes for most RAW converters not getting the best results? The MFT cameras have a 4:3 aspect ratio, the Nikon 1 3:2? The AF implementation of the Nikon 1 series is really very good?

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:00 PM

For the Nikon 1 system there's an FT-1 adapter to FE lenses, which he has. While I hesitated to buy into this system, Studor13 went the 2nd hand path. After the V1, each other V-version came up with some interesting features - and some cuts of the ones I liked.



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Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:06 PM

The Nikon 18.5mm is a 50mm f4.9 FF equivalent camera. The others you list are 40mm FF equivalent... A small but noticeable difference.

Reasons to get a V1 that I can see: When it was released, the other cameras did not yet exist? It is a Nikon, so a "natural" choice for a Nikon shooter? The Fuji with its odd CFA pattern makes for most RAW converters not getting the best results? The MFT cameras have a 4:3 aspect ratio, the Nikon 1 3:2? The AF implementation of the Nikon 1 series is really very good?

 

A 40mm is arguably a more versatile FOV than 50mm as a walk-around lens.
However, if 50mm equiv is really required then there is the Oly 25mm f1.8. It provides better FOV control (f3.6 FF equiv) while the total package size remains in the same ballpark.

 

Fuji CFA pattern is not an issue anymore, even with LR.

If the photos (very nice ones) shown are an indication, AF is definitely not a limiting factor. Even something like a Pany GF2 would be sufficient.


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