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#1 Rover

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Posted 30 August 2016 - 08:34 PM

Just when we thought there would be no more 50mm (ish) lenses from/for Sony E mount... Sony makes one more entry into the field! This time a macro lens capable of 1:1 magnification.

 

https://www.dpreview...50mm-f2-8-macro

 

Gnarly if you ask me. The details on the autofocusing mechanism are conspicuously absent from the press release, which tells me that we may have to be ready for the stuff along the lines of the 50/1.8. :)



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 12:21 AM

Not sure what you mean by autofocusing mechanism. I see that the lens extends when focusing. Provides a nice scale on the front barrel. Also, the front element is deeply recessed, so no hood needed. A small and light package. I'm interested, as I don't have a 50mm for my A7. And the price isn't too much compared to some of the other 50's.



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 12:39 AM

50 Macro has been the workhorse of generations of photographers and I'm quite happy to see Sony back on the small & affordable side.

 

It looks like "old style" AF where the entire lens move forward to focus instead of modern/fast internal focus.

That keeps the lens more compact when retracted but also probably means slower focus.



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 07:10 AM

Not sure what you mean by autofocusing mechanism. I see that the lens extends when focusing. Provides a nice scale on the front barrel. Also, the front element is deeply recessed, so no hood needed. A small and light package. I'm interested, as I don't have a 50mm for my A7. And the price isn't too much compared to some of the other 50's.

There is no mention of the type of focusing motor, which leads me to believe it's the worst possible option (noisy, slow and weak micro-motor - if it had been anything better they would've taken their time to point it out). But at the same time, the lens benefits from weather sealing... looks like Sony is a little inconsistent with the positioning of their offerings. However, I'll be giving this lens the benefit of the doubt until we see for ourselves what it's really like (and Klaus has it stretched and dissected in his lab :)).

50 Macro has been the workhorse of generations of photographers and I'm quite happy to see Sony back on the small & affordable side.

 

It looks like "old style" AF where the entire lens move forward to focus instead of modern/fast internal focus.

That keeps the lens more compact when retracted but also probably means slower focus.

Price-wise it's in line with the 28/2 - and like that one, it's labelled neither Zeiss nor G - so we may be seeing the foundations of a whole lens line here.



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 09:28 AM

I don't think a slow AF motor is a big problem with a macro lens... BTW, I'm not an expert of macro, but for the kind of macro work I've been doing in the past 18 months I doubt that one can often auto-focus a macro subject without applying manual corrections... Noisy could be a problem? Perhaps... Actually I don't know whether insects are scared by noise. The latest bug I've taken a photo at was a dwarf mantis from 30 cm, she (it was a female) was totally aware of my presence, noise or not, at the point that after a minute of staring at me she attacked the lens and was even capable of stroking the front lens with some karate-like move...

 

 

It all boils down to the image quality. I won't dare to interpret the MTF diagram as I demonstrated I'm still incapable of correctly doing that  :rolleyes: , but if it's good, it's definitely an interesting lens: compact, light and the price sounds reasonable. 


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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm ƒ/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm ƒ/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm ƒ/2.8, Samyang 8mm ƒ/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm ƒ/2 
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#6 Brightcolours

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Posted 31 August 2016 - 10:37 AM

I doubt that Sony can mess up a 50mm macro lens (IQ wise), so it should be a good one (comparable to the old Nikkor 55mm f3.5 and 55mm f2.8 for instance). Price is on the unreasonable side though (small elements, only one aspherical lens, one "ED" element, only 8 elements in total).

 

Look at the Canon EF-S 10-18mm f4.5-5.6 IS STM in comparison (also small elements but contains bigger elements, 2 aspherical lenses, one "UD" element, 14 elements in total, IS + STM). It costs less than half.



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 12:46 PM

Well, the Sigma Macro 50mm F2.8 EX DG sells at Amazon's for 455€... A Pentax 50MMF/2,8 Macro, at the same store, sells for 365€, but the nominal price is 499€... 


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Posted 31 August 2016 - 12:53 PM

I know I may just change my nickname to MF Hater or something and nobody would notice any difference, but way back once I nearly bought a Sigma 105mm macro (non-OS) that not only had painfully slow AF but the MF ring was also scratchy and very stiff, making focusing unpleasurable either way. I really hope Sony doesn't reprise the mistake they made (per the words of Klaus and quite a few other users) with the 50/1.8. Especially not at this price point which is a bit on the high side. After all, even Sigma and Tamron are steadily updating their lenses for modern AF, but some makers are going against the tide of times, more or less (Sony and Tokina, I'm looking at you).



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 01:00 PM

Well, the Sigma Macro 50mm F2.8 EX DG sells at Amazon's for 455€... A Pentax 50MMF/2,8 Macro, at the same store, sells for 365€, but the nominal price is 499€... 

The Sigma macro has 10 elements, which also appear to be bigger (it weighs therefore about 100 grams more).

 

If Canon can make the more complex 10-18mm for less than half, Sony should be able to make this macro (and make a profit) for less than $600 too. But with a 50mm f1.8 costing $300, I guess everything looks reasonably priced ;)



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 06:07 PM

If only the lenses had been priced by the pound (or by the amount of glass elements)... the Sony system would have been among the most affordable!  :P



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 06:34 PM

If only the lenses had been priced by the pound (or by the amount of glass elements)... the Sony system would have been among the most affordable!  :P

Sony FE 70-200mm f4 G OSS 840 grams. Canon EF 70-200mm f4 L IS USM 760 grams.

Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8 GM OSS 1490 grams without tripod mount. Canon EF 70-200mm f4 L IS USM II 1485 grams.

Sony FE 50mm f1.8 185 grams, Canon EF 50mm f1.8 STM 160 grams.

Sony FE 24-70mm f2.8 GM 886 grams. Canon EF 24-70mm f2.8 L USM II 805 grams.

 

Are you sure about that?  :lol:  ^_^  ;)



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 10:14 PM

Hm... I was obviously thinking of some different lenses. My bad (even though I'm sure there can be contrary examples).



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Posted 31 August 2016 - 10:28 PM

Hm... I was obviously thinking of some different lenses. My bad (even though I'm sure there can be contrary examples).

Hehe, of course you can find other examples.

 

Fact remains that if a EF-S 10-18mm can be produced that cheaply, a small elements nacro like this does not have to cost $600. The glass is the expensive time consuming element, in lens production.



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 01:15 PM

Speaking of macro costs: Leica opens up the range to 3000 $  :lol: for an APS-C camera which costs 1080 $

 

http://www.lens-rumo...lens-announced/

 

Should be able to X-ray and brew coffee



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 01:30 PM

Speaking of macro costs: Leica opens up the range to 3000 $  :lol: for an APS-C camera which costs 1080 $

 

http://www.lens-rumo...lens-announced/

 

Should be able to X-ray and brew coffee

To uhmm.. Leica's defence  :blink: , it is not a 50mm lens. And a more comprehensive, with 4 aspherical lenses, and 10 elements. And uhmm.. what else. Oh yes, it is pretty much a bespoke item, being available in two finishes and only for the Leica T, which then may mean there will only be 1 sample per finish since no-one is buying Leica T  :D .

 

And what else. Oh yeah, it is 500$ cheaper than the 5mm shorter in focal length Zeiss Otus 55mm f1.4  B)



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Posted 02 September 2016 - 01:49 PM

Yeah, but that is no Macro.

 

Hmmm and no APS-C only, either.  :lol:

 

And maybe it would just rip out the mount. I think, the Otii should come with a tripod socket. Rethink: A complete tripod would be cheaper...



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Posted 10 September 2016 - 11:10 PM

From David Kilpatrick's analysis, the front element does not extend that much which indicates a combination with internal/rear focusing.

http://www.photoclub...-f2-8-only-500/



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 08:27 AM

Hopefully we'll see Klaus give it a spin in the lab someday, and then all our questions will be answered. "September" due date (from the announcement) probably means that it will start hitting the store shelves big time in, oh, about a month. Maybe Lenstip will chime in in the interim.






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