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#1 Brightcolours

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Posted 19 September 2016 - 06:12 PM

18 FPS with AF. 60 FPS no AF. Larger battery. 20.4mp sensor, no AA-filter, higher read out and better DR. 4k, 237mbpsec.120fps EVF. 50MP images composed of 8 shots with moving sensor.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 09:15 PM

This is how the M5 death looks like ...

https://m.youtube.co...e&v=V5LXNHnbOew
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Posted 19 September 2016 - 09:19 PM

I wonder how the guy with gloves will operate that freeze proof miniature camera, though.

The camera is impressive, the live presentation was cringe worthy. They even showed a 3x2 DSLR image with a fox during the presentation, a bit odd.



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Posted 19 September 2016 - 09:25 PM

It is big though.


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Posted 19 September 2016 - 10:39 PM

18 FPS with AF is very impressive. Looks like they are going for the sports/wildlife crowd.


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Posted 20 September 2016 - 03:19 AM

Impressive specs. Paired with good lenses it may be a great out door / travel / sport kit

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Posted 20 September 2016 - 08:13 PM

Did Oly initially said "in development", or I missed something?

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 04:51 PM

Why MFT cameras don't offer ISO 100,64,25 instead of 200? If the signal is not amplified as much, wouldn't be better for image quality, (noise and DR)?



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Posted 23 September 2016 - 04:55 PM

100% agreed. It's something that has been puzzling me.

It's also annoying because one can't shoot a fast lens wide-open bright light (except with ND filters which is annoying).


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#10 toni-a

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Posted 23 September 2016 - 06:07 PM

A sensor is not like film, it has one ISO speed the rest is by amplification of the signal.
All manufacturers chose baseline ISO at the most profitable range.
On my 5D ISO 50 is not better than ISO 100.
In the past many Nikon cameras didn't have less than ISO 200

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Posted 23 December 2016 - 12:25 AM

The EM-1 MK II actually has a 64 iso setting which is a little less noisy but has a liitle less DR as well.

It is a bit bigger than the other OM-Ds, but then, it has a battery more than twice the size of the previous batteries, and it also has 2 card slots. Still smaller than APS-C cameras, with the specs of a pro body.

Great looking and sounding camera, I might well get one as a replacement for the 5 MK II at some stage.

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Posted 24 December 2016 - 10:45 AM

Looks pretty badass.



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Posted 24 December 2016 - 11:22 AM

It is I think.

 

Essentially similar to a 1DX Mark II, but then in MFT size.

 

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Posted 28 December 2016 - 01:12 PM

A guy I know is using this now (after spending time with the original E-M1). He went to Iraq and now way up north to where the temperature is -50 °C right now. I have to ask him later how this pans out...



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Posted 28 December 2016 - 08:53 PM

Well, I got one now as well. Too early to comment, but it is certainly a lot faster than the E-M5 II.

In addition, it has a DR which is at least 1 stop better than the E-M5, as well as noise levels of at least 1 stop better, and iso 6400 is extremely useable.

 

Time to replace my 5d II with a newer version now ;).

 

Kind regards, Wim



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:14 AM

Well, I got one now as well. Too early to comment, but it is certainly a lot faster than the E-M5 II.

In addition, it has a DR which is at least 1 stop better than the E-M5, as well as noise levels of at least 1 stop better, and iso 6400 is extremely useable.

 

Time to replace my 5d II with a newer version now ;).

 

Kind regards, Wim

Hello Wim, 

 

Two very specific questions : 

Looking at your gear list I noticed you are now in possession of both EM1 mkII and Panasonic 20mm pancake. 

Have you tried the pair to see if the new hybrid AF would improve the overal slugginesh feel (phase detection would reduce the amount of back and forth movements) ? I adore that 20mm lens. 

 

Also, were you aware of the banding pattern noise of the 20mm with the cameras sporting the sony made 16mp sensor (so visible on EM5 & EM5 mkII...) ? I'm curious to see if that is also gone with the new 20MP.

 

Also I'd like to know your general feel about the new sensor. You mention a nice 1 stop gain in noise & DR but other than that, do you get a sense of a "jump" in quality? I'm starting to feel the files are getting a bit "oldish" on my M5 mk & mkII for that matter. 

 

I'll run my EM5 mk II for a while and will see what's on the horizon for a smaller version of Oly's new tech, hopefully fitting that new battery, too ;-)

 

Greetings, 

S. 



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Posted 09 January 2017 - 11:51 PM

Hello Wim, 
 
Two very specific questions : 
Looking at your gear list I noticed you are now in possession of both EM1 mkII and Panasonic 20mm pancake. 
Have you tried the pair to see if the new hybrid AF would improve the overal slugginesh feel (phase detection would reduce the amount of back and forth movements) ? I adore that 20mm lens. 
 
Also, were you aware of the banding pattern noise of the 20mm with the cameras sporting the sony made 16mp sensor (so visible on EM5 & EM5 mkII...) ? I'm curious to see if that is also gone with the new 20MP.
 
Also I'd like to know your general feel about the new sensor. You mention a nice 1 stop gain in noise & DR but other than that, do you get a sense of a "jump" in quality? I'm starting to feel the files are getting a bit "oldish" on my M5 mk & mkII for that matter. 
 
I'll run my EM5 mk II for a while and will see what's on the horizon for a smaller version of Oly's new tech, hopefully fitting that new battery, too ;-)
 
Greetings, 
S.

Hi Sylvain,

I actually had the Mk I of that Panny as well, but sold it a year and half ago, to buy another lens, but regretted it, so bought it again almost a year ago, although this time I obviously got the Mk II :).

As to sluggishness, I have never noticed any sluggishness with it, not really on the GF2, E-M5 Mk II, Pen F, or E-M1 Mk II. However, maybe I never noticed because I never paid attention. I tend to photograph relatively deliberately, so I guess that could be a reason for me not to notice.

As to banding, I have never noticed either. I think this may happen with electronic shutter with artificial lighting (fluorescent) and slow shutter speeds. So far I have never used electronic shutter, and I haven't seen it yet anyway.

When I find some spare time, I'll see if I can or cannot recreate it.

As to the lower noise, yes the images are cleaner, probably by about a stop. 3200 iso on the E-M1 Mk II looks like 1600 iso on the E-M5 Mk II to me, and normally I will only go beyond that in case of emergencies. Same with my 5D Mk II, I will stop at iso 3200 except in case of emergency.

Since the noise is a stop lower, I'd expect the DR to be a bit better as well, as that intends to go hand in hand, at least partly.
I didn't really look into that, because the DR was plenty for my uses before the newer models anyway.

One thing I do like about Olympus over Panasonic is that SOOC jpegs look incredibly good, better than the Pana ones. This is extremely convenient when having to quickly provide some initial images to someone.

HTH, kind regards, Wim

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 01:39 PM

Hi Sylvain,

 

I had a quick look at the Panny and E-M1 Mk II, and although I now relaize it is a little slow focusing, compared to the 25 Pro that is. It whirs a little, but it is not really a slouch, and focuses fine in one go with the E-M1 Mk II. I set the AEL/AFL button for AF, and switching between long distance and really close-up makes no difference, not even under darker conditions (iso 1600 to iso 3200).

It obtains focus with a single try each time. BTW, I did not use C-AF; I almost never do anyway. Possibly that makes a difference; I'll give that a try as well.

 

I also tried to get banding in my images, both with Pen F and E-M1 Mk II, but so far I have not been able to do so. If I have some more time tonight, I will try electronic shutter as well. I did try with fluorescent lighting, BTW.

 

Kind regards, Wim



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Posted 12 January 2017 - 05:30 PM

Sylvain,

 

I looked a bit more into the banding problem, and it appears it si indeed an artificial lighting problem in combination with the electronic shutter. A possible solution with the E-M5 apparently is to use 0s anti-shock shutter.

 

HTH, kind regards, Wim






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