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#1 Klaus

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 11:52 PM

Lot's of new stuff from Panasonic
 
Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4 ASPH Power OIS (gimme, gimme, ...)
 
Panasonic GH5 (Ok, we knew this one)
 
Panasonic GX850 / GX800 / GF7 (welcome back, mini)
 
Slightly updated:
Panasonic 12-35mm f/2.8 Power OIS II
 
Panasonic 35-100mm f/2.8 Power OIS II
 
Panasonic 45-200mm f/4-5.6 Power OIS II
 
Panasonic 100-300mm f/4-5.6 Power OIS II

 


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 09:17 AM

I know that video-graphy is not this forum's mainstay but,  the GH5 must now be one of the ultimate "non dedicated" M4/3 video cameras out there, it's video and still specs are nothing short of amazing!

 

  6X slow mo in 1080 HD, a new 3.86 Mp electronic viewfinder, full sensor video coverage downscaling from 6K, 18 Mps still images in video, 4K at  60 Fps, 12 fps/ 9 fps in AF-C.........to mention just a few!

 

  I sort of thought that M4/3 was a bit of a dead end technology, a few years back, but it's proving me wrong!



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 10:32 AM

:)
From what I see happening in my circles, mirrorless, and specifically Fuji and MFT are becoming the new norm, with FF ILCs becoming the new medium format, making cameras with even larger sensors, the current medium format, more and more the new large format.

The new 20 MP MFT sensors are excellent, and very usable up to 6400 iso. There are only few people who really need more than that, and coupled to all the new technology and benchmark setting specs, in combination with the fact that these companies actually listen to what users want, I do think they are the ones who will do well. And the smaller form factor works too.

Don't forget that when 135 mm film format slrs were introduced, there were a lot of naysayers as well, but it took off because it created a new market for affordable, relatively small cameras for the masses.

This is what MFT is doing as well now, and it is mature enough now that a few F1 cars are being introduced, so to speak, amongst their camera line-up.

They are also creating a great, professional lens line-up, which all in all means there is a lot to like for more advanced shooters as well.

It won't stop me from still upgrading my FF kit, but then, I also have the advantage that I can shoot my FF lenses on my MFT bodies, if I so wish :).

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:44 PM

When M4/3 has an adapter to be able to mount Nikor F mount lenses on their cameras with all the functions I know I will be in serious financial trouble. :(    So if it ever happens for God's sake please keep it a secret from me!  :o



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:58 PM

There's a very good metabones adapter...

 

http://www.metabones...B_SPNFG-m43-BM1

 

But this would counter the idea of a small body, no? You already have a great APS-C. Put Nikon glass in front of any tiny mirrorless - where's the point?



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:12 PM

There's a very good metabones adapter...

 

http://www.metabones...B_SPNFG-m43-BM1

 

But this would counter the idea of a small body, no? You already have a great APS-C. Put Nikon glass in front of any tiny mirrorless - where's the point?

 

:)

 

The point is that you can actually use your other glass as well, in case you'd like to do so. The speedboosters are really nice, because they increase the amount of light that falls onto the sensor, and the resolution as well. I currently have 2 EF-MFT ones, the 0.64x, and the 0.7X. Effectively, they are wide-converters which increase aperture as a result. I also ordered the the glassless version, but it is on backorder, still waiting for it :).

 

The metabones adapters are truly exceptional, but they do cost a little penny as well.

 

However, being able to use all my L-glass and specialist lenses on my MFT bodies without losing any of their functionality like IS and AF is an opportunity I could not resist.

 

Of course, personally I do plan on keeping both systems, the FF Canon becoming my "MF" system, and the MFT system becoming my take-with-me-at-all-times system.

 

BTW, Metabones are the same guys who make special glass for police work, like specialist UV and IR lenses, and extremely high corrected lenses, a.o., the best colour- and secondary spectrum corrected apo-lens in existence.

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:23 PM

The point is that you can actually use your other gass as well, in case you'd like to do so. .

 

In dave's case he already owns a state of the art APS-C and camera of the year 2016 and wahtever prices his D500 might win. And since the metabones adapters are great but do not allow AF or even EXIF data transfer, there's no advantage in terms of AF.

 

More than that, the D500 has AF calibration, so in terms of AF-speed and tracking with 3D AF-C there's practically no competition in mirrorless bein superior than the Nikon.


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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:35 PM

Given the number of native mirrorless lenses these days I'm not sure why adapter solutions are still needed ... except tilt/shift maybe.
How many native MFT lenses are there ? 50+? I stopped counting at some stage.
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Posted 05 January 2017 - 01:39 PM

Given the number of native mirrorless lenses these days I'm not sure why adapter solutions are still needed ... except tilt/shift maybe.
How many native MFT lenses are there ? 50+? I stopped counting at some stage.

 

 

Us Sony users still largely depend on adapters when we need something other than cliché focal lengths. I use adapters for Tilt Shift, Canon 11-24/4, Canon 85/1.2, Minolta 200/2.8 and Minolta 70-210/4, last one mostly because I absolutely don't want to buy the native version.



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:22 PM

In dave's case he already owns a state of the art APS-C and camera of the year 2016 and wahtever prices his D500 might win. And since the metabones adapters are great but do not allow AF or even EXIF data transfer, there's no advantage in terms of AF.

 

More than that, the D500 has AF calibration, so in terms of AF-speed and tracking with 3D AF-C there's practically no competition in mirrorless bein superior than the Nikon.

 

Well, I don't know about Nikon, but the EF-MFT Metabones adapters do allow IS, AF, and pass on Exif information. It works with any of the EF lenses I have used so far, like 85L, 135L, 100-400L IS II ....

 

AF speed is as fast as with these lenses used on my 5D II, if not faster - haven't had an opportunity to compare it with a newer Canon body yet, and as I am not a sports shooter, or BIF person, I haven't compared tracking, although almost anything will be faster than a 5D II with 100-400L :).

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 02:25 PM

Given the number of native mirrorless lenses these days I'm not sure why adapter solutions are still needed ... except tilt/shift maybe.
How many native MFT lenses are there ? 50+? I stopped counting at some stage.

 

89 at my last count, but there may be more, probably around 120 now including 3rd party manufacturers.

 

Adapter solutions are great if one does not want to spend extra for a specialist lens, or an expensive lens. I happen to own all 4 TS-E's, plus the M-PE 65, and it is fun to occasionally shoot at F/0.6 with a 50L or 85l ;),

 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:09 PM

There's a very good metabones adapter...

 

http://www.metabones...B_SPNFG-m43-BM1

 

But this would counter the idea of a small body, no? You already have a great APS-C. Put Nikon glass in front of any tiny mirrorless - where's the point?

 No point at all, my post was tongue in cheek JoJu.  :P



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 03:19 PM

Given the number of native mirrorless lenses these days I'm not sure why adapter solutions are still needed ... except tilt/shift maybe.
How many native MFT lenses are there ? 50+? I stopped counting at some stage.

 

  Surely for those Nicanonites just wanting an affordable compact body without resorting to selling a kidney/ lung or some other useful bodily organ in order to buy yet another passing phase of inessential photographic equipment!  B)



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Posted 05 January 2017 - 04:12 PM

Well, I don't know about Nikon, but the EF-MFT Metabones adapters do allow IS, AF, and pass on Exif information. It works with any of the EF lenses I have used so far, like 85L, 135L, 100-400L IS II ....

In that aspect (unfortunately not only in that  :( ) Nikon is pretty stoneage: The G-adapter of metabones has no aperture transfer (or even the aperture number to put back into the Exif), no AF transfer. Aperture is mechanically change db a ring which tells you "2 f-stops closed compared to wide open". I have a mechanical only adapter for Fuji, it's the same.

 

With the latest Nikon glass with electronic aperture actuation (instead of mechanical by body) you have constant wide open aperture.

 

So, adapting Nikon glass to any mirrorless doesn't bring more comfort than any giben Leica glass from the last century  :unsure:



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:04 AM

Eyes set on that 12-60 indeed :-). Just need to know at what FL it becomes F/4... might make it a tough choice with the 12-100 f/4.

 

 

 

 

Lot's of new stuff from Panasonic
 
Leica 12-60mm f/2.8-4 ASPH Power OIS (gimme, gimme, ...)
 
 
 

 

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 01:27 PM

Is that picture comparing the size of the 12-100 to the 12-60 ?

 

Eyes set on that 12-60 indeed :-). Just need to know at what FL it becomes F/4... might make it a tough choice with the 12-100 f/4.



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:20 PM

Is that picture comparing the size of the 12-100 to the 12-60 ?

 

Yes, correct.

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:24 PM

In that aspect (unfortunately not only in that  :( ) Nikon is pretty stoneage: The G-adapter of metabones has no aperture transfer (or even the aperture number to put back into the Exif), no AF transfer. Aperture is mechanically change db a ring which tells you "2 f-stops closed compared to wide open". I have a mechanical only adapter for Fuji, it's the same.

 

With the latest Nikon glass with electronic aperture actuation (instead of mechanical by body) you have constant wide open aperture.

 

So, adapting Nikon glass to any mirrorless doesn't bring more comfort than any giben Leica glass from the last century  :unsure:

 

A good reason to switch to Canon, IOW ;).

 

Actually, I did shoot a Nikon 14-24 F/2.8 a couple of years ago on my Canon, with an adapter. This after trying out a Sigma 12-24 and becoming very disappointed with it. It did more or less allow for setting of apertures, but it was a real pain.

 

I actually sold it when I effectively replaced it with a TS-E 17 :). That was a better lens anyway ;).

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:31 PM

These days I would prefer the Tamron 15-30 instead of the Nikon with it's "flare-magnetism". Without strong light sources involved, it's still fine glass.

 

Still, Nikon has the better sensors  :P

 

Oh, and of course an "amazing service". I just got an envelope with the rubber cover for the battery grip (of the body). I only needed to mail twice and it happened - whoopsy - within just 3 weeks. Of course, no unnecessary paper (like a "how-to glue the bloody thing back on the plastic"), just a plastic bag with the rubber pad and another with double sided tape. So I can fix a 1 1/2 year old body without bothering the very valuable service personnel. I feel so highly estimated and trustworthy  :rolleyes:



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 05:35 PM

These days I would prefer the Tamron 15-30 instead of the Nikon with it's "flare-magnetism". Without strong light sources involved, it's still fine glass.

 

Still, Nikon has the better sensors  :P

 

Oh, and of course an "amazing service". I just got an envelope with the rubber cover for the battery grip (of the body). I only needed to mail twice and it happened - whoopsy - within just 3 weeks. Of course, no unnecessary paper (like a "how-to glue the bloody thing back on the plastic"), just a plastic bag with the rubber pad and another with double sided tape. So I can fix a 1 1/2 year old body without bothering the very valuable service personnel. I feel so highly estimated and trustworthy  :rolleyes:

:)

 

As to sensors, it has been a leapfrog game as long as I can remember, not just with sensors, mostly between Canon and Nikon. Of course, Nikon is cheating (and so is Sony), by doing an 80% of pixels noise reduction in Raw, making it look much better than it is, and effectively fooling DxO :). A few researchers actually showed that if you do the same with Canon (in PP of course, there si no other way), you get very similar noise and DR results, at the most with a 0.3 or 0.4 stop difference. This with the previous generation of cameras.

 

Lately Canon seems to be on the rise again; give it another few years and they will likely have the best sensors, for a few years, next Nikon/Sony again, etc.

 

To me it does not matter, I am happy with a DR of 8 to 10 stops, and I rarely shoot 3200 iso, let alone 6400 iso, an I never needed anything faster anyway :).

 

Considering this, MFT is fine for me, no problem whatsoever :). Oh, and I would like to see what Nikon/Sony/Canon would get from a 20 MP MFT equivalent sensor (40 MP APS-C, 80 MP FF :)).

 

Also considering that at 6 to 8 MP we got already as much out fo a dslr as the best analog amateurs out there, and at 12 MP the same as pros, I don't really think we're missing out at all, we're really quite spoilt. more MPs just mean you have more detail when printing, and even way back when I thought the results I got from Pan-X at 25 iso was outstanding anyway :).

 

Personally, I will likely do one more upgrade of my FF camera, in order to make it stand out from the MFT cameras I have. I use FF in a much different way anyway; MFT with me all the time (I travel a lot for work), and FF for very specific self-initiated photo shoots :). I am using FF in a way as medium format these days, no longer the way I used to shoot with analog gear. Funnily enough, MFT gear is about the same size as my old analog (Pentax) gear, which I incidentally sold a few weeks ago.

 

And as to fixing stuff oneself, with a body still under warranty: I would only do so if I could not miss the camera for the period of time they would need to do that. Crazy... :)

 

Kind regards, Wim


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