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new stuff from Canon (EOS 77D, 800D, M6, 18-55mm f/4-5.6 STM IS)


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#1 Klaus

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 09:46 AM

New stuff from Canon (not that hot):
 
Canon EOS 77D
 
Canon EOS 800D
 
Canon EOS M6
 
Canon EF 18-55mm f/4-5.6 STM IS
 

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#2 toni-a

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:07 AM

Now their lineup is confusing especially we don't known which sensor is used in which camera, already 80D has different 24MP hat 750/760D



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 10:25 AM

Toni-a, only you must be confused. 

 

It is clear that the T71/800D/X9 uses the 24.4mp sensor of the 80D. And that the 77D uses the same sensor as the 80D. And the M5 and M6 use the same sensor as the 80D too. Not strange, the 80D and 5D mk IV having the newer generation sensors, it would be strange for new cameras to go back to older gen. sensors. Canon only puts old gen. stuff in the XX00D line.

 

Nothing confusing about that, I should think.

 

The 800D follows the XX0D/rebel line as it used to be since the beginning of time. The 77D gets rid of the confusion the 760D posed, and now clearly says most features of the 80D in a smaller, lighter package. The M5 is a direct replacement of the M3, with most of the internals of the M5 with the M5 having a bigger grip and EVF built in.



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 12:50 PM

Well 750D and 80D don't seem to have the same 24 MP sensor... 

should the 800D have the same sensor as 750D like 20D-30D or same as 80D like 300D and 10D



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 03:21 PM

Well 750D and 80D don't seem to have the same 24 MP sensor... 

should the 800D have the same sensor as 750D like 20D-30D or same as 80D like 300D and 10D

The 750D of course doesn't have the same sensor as the 80D, when the sensor of the 80D a new development at the time of the 80D introduction....

 

Like I wrote, the 800D does not have the old sensor, Canon does not do that. 



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

The 750D of course doesn't have the same sensor as the 80D, when the sensor of the 80D a new development at the time of the 80D introduction....

 

Like I wrote, the 800D does not have the old sensor, Canon does not do that. 

 

Any reference or evidence ?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 07:20 PM

Any reference or evidence ?

You are funny :D .  How about Canon?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:29 PM

New stuff from Canon (not that hot):

 
Canon EF 18-55mm f/4-5.6 STM IS

 

Another lens that has to be tested...  :ph34r:



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:29 PM

really till now i didn't figure out difference between 800D and 77D is it just pentaprism vs pentamirror ?



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Posted 15 February 2017 - 08:51 PM

What the 77D has over the 800D:

  • 7650-pixel RGB + IR meterting sensor similar to that of the 80D
  • Anti-flicker shooting mode for artificial light situations
  • Top LCD display
  • Quick control dial
  • Lock switch
  • AF focus button on back to separate focus and shutter control

For a pentaprism, look at the heavier 80D.



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:44 PM

Another lens that has to be tested...  :ph34r:

 

Wait, what?  This is the same lens tested on a 15mp APS-C isn't it?  The same one that came with my D70?  Yes, I am the proud owner of three different versions of the EFS 18-55mm Kit lenses.  I think they all work pretty good, and are virtually weightless.  Have decent close focus.  Ironically I used the older two quite a bit.  By the time I got the 18-55 STM, I had The EFS 60 Macro, and the EFS 17-85, so no reason to use what is probably a decent lens!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:49 PM

For a pentaprism, look at the heavier 80D.

 

They cheapen the xxD line with this move!  Is there a shutter speed difference too, or have they morphed the consumer and prosumer models into slight of hand feature swap?



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 01:52 PM

 

 
 
Canon EF 18-55mm f/4-5.6 STM IS

 

 

Ah!  A typo!  it should read EF-S 18-55.....



#14 Brightcolours

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:01 PM

Wait, what?  This is the same lens tested on a 15mp APS-C isn't it?  The same one that came with my D70?  

No. This is the Canon EF-S 18-55mm f4-5.6 IS STM. Not the EF-S 18-55mm f3.5-5.6 IS STM.

 

New lens:

  • 215 grams
  • 67mm diameter
  • 62mm length

Old lens:

  • 205 grams
  • 69mm diameter
  • 75mm length

They shaved 1/3rd of a stop at the wide end for a 20% size reduction. As far as I can tell, the MTFs for the new one are slightly better at the wide end, and slightly worse at the long end?

Anyway, the optics have changed dramatically:

 

New lens:

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Old lens:

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