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#1 toni-a

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 06:55 AM

Pentax is not doing a god job and Ricoh isn't making much profit... will they follow the steps of Samsung ?

 

https://petapixel.co...amera-business/



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:18 AM

Here is the deny of Ricoh:

 

https://www.dpreview...camera-business



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 09:48 AM

I wonder how much losses did the company stock suffer after such reports... one newspaper article and a sizable chunk of your business' value is wiped out?  :o



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:02 AM

Isn't that the price companies sometimes need to pay, when shares are involved? I think it's already wrong to measure business values with shares - paying customers are value, offering labour in exchange of salary to people is value, every kind of stock shares  is fake value, existing only on paper. Aren't people saying, if you have money to play with buy shares? So, money games are simply not representing true value - in my eyes. I don't own shares, needless to say. If I have money to play with, I gonna exchange it for something with glass inside.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:43 PM

Let's face it - no matter what to think of this, there are just too many camera systems on the market today:

 

Leica: 3 mounts

Canon: 2

Nikon: 1 (was 2)

Sony: 2

Fuji: 2

Pentax: 3

MFT: 1 (was 2)

Hasselbald: 2

Sigma: 1

 

The world doesn't need 17 different mounts.


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 02:10 PM

Let's face it - no matter what to think of this, there are just too many camera systems on the market today:

 

Leica: 3 mounts

Canon: 2

Nikon: 1 (was 2)

Sony: 2

Fuji: 2

Pentax: 2

MFT: 1 (was 2)

Hasselbald: 2

Sigma: 1

 

The world doesn't need 16 different mounts.

Now try to tell that to the producers! None of them need cross compatibility because they want to keep the consumers chained to their own systems. (sincerely yours, this is Captain Obvious speaking again :)) Of course as a user, I would've loved to see more universality: for example, 4 or 5 years ago I surmised that out of the (then existing) three APS-C mirrorless systems - Samsung, Sony, Fuji - one could build a really fine lineup of lenses, even though none of those systems was really complete on its own. Then was then and now is now, of course...



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:39 PM

Let's face it - no matter what to think of this, there are just too many camera systems on the market today:

 

Leica: 3 mounts

Canon: 2

Nikon: 1 (was 2)

Sony: 2

Fuji: 2

Pentax: 3

MFT: 1 (was 2)

Hasselbald: 2

Sigma: 1

 

The world doesn't need 17 different mounts.

 

Add in the APS-C (because it is actually a different system with the same physical mount) and you end up with even more.

 

Leica: 4 
Canon: 3
Nikon: 2 
Sony:4
Fuji: 2
Pentax: 4
MFT: 1 
Hasselbald: 2
Sigma: 1
Phase One/Mamiya: 1
 
Total: 24
 
Actually Phase ONe/Mamiya one is cool because they share the same mount, which is based on the m645 mount from 70s. See camera companies, it is possible after all.
 
By the way, how many defunct mounts/systems that are digital based do we have?
 
Contax had the N mount that is gone now.
Samsung NX mount is gone
Contax 645 AF mount is gone too, they probably designed that one with digital backs in mind.
4/3 is gone.
Nikon 1
 
What else?


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Posted 13 April 2017 - 09:02 PM

I think Mamiya had more, if you include the film cameras. 6×7 had an own one and the 330 series with double lenses as well. Pentax once made a 110 film DSLR, Mamiya as well a 135 film model, then there are Alpa, Rollei (couple of mounts), Zenza Bronica, Fuji's 6×9 and I'm sure I forgot half a dozen forgotten brands. The list of Klaus forgot Olympus as well...

 

So?

 

If you were manufacturer, wouldn't you like to protect your new micro-cosmos which is for sure the best there is? Tamron's adaptall T2 project went also into oblivion, I'm still wondering why µ 4/3 manufacturers altogether came to one table to fix that mount.



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:57 PM

Mamiya had quite a few more, so did Fuji, Bronica, Contax etc. Most of those died even before digital came. Up until last year or so, we only had the two Contax mounts that were created with digital sensors in mind that died. One can argue that 4/3 has been dead for quite a few years but hasn't that been only recently officially admitted?



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Posted 13 April 2017 - 11:18 PM

... why µ 4/3....


The µ is the character for "micro" and also in the logo of µ 4/3

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Posted 14 April 2017 - 10:43 AM

  They say there's no smoke without fire!

 

  The Ricoh "denial" well.....time will tell.

 

  Probably the only producer not feeling the pinch...Fuji?



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:46 AM

With all its exposure on forums, you'd think that Fuji sells a lot. The available retail figures suggest differently, though. One light point for Fuji, the people who do buy into the X mount do seem to buy the primes. For Sony APS-C, Canon and Olympus mirrorless most of the customers just buy it with the kit lens. 

 

That being said, it is fine for Fuji to be small. In the past (talking about film era), compared the units moved to nowadays, Canon, Minolta and Nikon were small too, and did just fine.



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Posted 14 April 2017 - 11:50 AM

Sometimes gone fires still smoke. Anyway, I would not bet much on the faith of Pentax/Ricoh.

 

I think, Sigma's Foveon department is as well not feeling the pinch, otherwise they would try to hire decent software engineers, and they are part of a pretty strongly running lens fab.

 

Hasselblad is also (in their dimensions) facing the problems to not being able to deliver enough items. I'm not a fan of them, but I'm a fan of brands who come up with something real good, freshly thought, thinking out of the box and get the success they deserve.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 12:21 PM

Contrary to popular belief, there can be smoke without a fire.

Also, in large quantities smoke would impair your vision to the point you would be unable to see the truth in front of your eyes.

 

We'll see about Ricoh Imaging, and Pentax in particular. Everything at Ricoh would likely go through some scrutiny (copiers especially, and the entire U.S. operations), but so far there's no reason to panic regarding our brand.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 12:43 PM

Make that "our brand" "my brand" and I'm with you in all points  ;) Or did you mean "us Pentax owners"? Then it's fine.

 

I fully agree, future and not rumors will tell, no matter how much smoke is involved.

 

Pentax was supposed to die so many times before and they are still alive and kicking and working on great products. If one can ignore the feeling "next time the rumor says Pentax is out of business it could be true" and see what Pentax has to offer, compare it to the need and find a match, then it's the brand to go. The bigger brands try play safe side only, Pentax does not mind to take risks. And even if they run out of business, that doesn't mean the cameras stop functioning. Yashica is out of business fort decades and I still can put a roll of film in one.


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 02:31 PM

I can't say that I was ever overly impressed by Pentax lenses (exceptions apply) but their cameras have something.


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Posted 15 April 2017 - 03:31 PM

Actually I think Pentax is already dead since ages, but not in the strict sense of meaning, it already died for its previous owners who sold it to Ricoh. Pentax dying now just means Ricoh losing  interest in it and selling it.

IMHO Ricoh are not stupid enough to kill a good brand name like Pentax, like did Microsoft with Nokia, (BTW I don't think killing Minolta by Sony was a smart move, they would have gained more customers by keeping A mount Minolta and e mount Sony) What would happen for Pentax is just changing owners, I am sure there are plenty of Chinese companies looking forward for acquiring a good brand name like Pentax that will boost their sales



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 04:01 PM

Make that "our brand" "my brand" and I'm with you in all points  ;) Or did you mean "us Pentax owners"? Then it's fine.

 

I fully agree, future and not rumors will tell, no matter how much smoke is involved.

 

Pentax was supposed to die so many times before and they are still alive and kicking and working on great products. If one can ignore the feeling "next time the rumor says Pentax is out of business it could be true" and see what Pentax has to offer, compare it to the need and find a match, then it's the brand to go. The bigger brands try play safe side only, Pentax does not mind to take risks. And even if they run out of business, that doesn't mean the cameras stop functioning. Yashica is out of business fort decades and I still can put a roll of film in one.

 

Yes, "us Pentax owners" - even on Pentaxforums I'd mean it like that ;)

 

I'm not sure Pentax (Ricoh Imaging) is taking risks - IMO they're overly cautious, even about the full frame; but you're right about that feeling, you have to learn to live with it. Or ignore the constant FUD :)



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 04:09 PM

I can't say that I was ever overly impressed by Pentax lenses (exceptions apply) but their cameras have something.

 

I'm curious if you would call the new D FA* primes impressive... but first, Ricoh has to launch them on the market.

 

Actually I think Pentax is already dead since ages, but not in the strict sense of meaning, it already died for its previous owners who sold it to Ricoh. Pentax dying now just means Ricoh losing  interest in it and selling it.

IMHO Ricoh are not stupid enough to kill a good brand name like Pentax, like did Microsoft with Nokia, (BTW I don't think killing Minolta by Sony was a smart move, they would have gained more customers by keeping A mount Minolta and e mount Sony) What would happen for Pentax is just changing owners, I am sure there are plenty of Chinese companies looking forward for acquiring a good brand name like Pentax that will boost their sales

 

The previous owners, that's Hoya. IMO Hoya did serious damage to the Pentax camera brand, and that happened when the market was growing. Ricoh OTOH is fighting against a declining market - yet they gave us the full frame.



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Posted 15 April 2017 - 06:05 PM

I'm curious if you would call the new D FA* primes impressive... but first, Ricoh has to launch them on the market.

 

 

 

That's the story of Pentax in the digital era for you.






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