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Sony 9 coming - better get started, CaNikon...

Sony A9; Nasim Mansourov

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#1 JoJu

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Posted 19 April 2017 - 09:31 PM

Just got a brief (relatively, that is) article from photographylife about Sony α9

Interesting - anyone knows of another FF DSLR with 20fps (electronical) or 14 fps shutter at 1/32.000 or 1/8000? Okay, the mechanical shutter is not so fresh, but the rest - and the tracking speed over the full frame...



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Posted 19 April 2017 - 10:05 PM

Canon announced a macro lens with LED! They see the impossible!



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 12:05 AM

I don't think that Nikon can follow at this stage ... and they rely on Sony sensors ...

Nikon is also far from being a first choice in the movie segment which has risen to high popularity now.

 

I reckon that Canon would still have the capabilities to do so. Sony has one major weakness - the pricing of their products. 

Canon could easily come up with a FF mirrorless camera around the 1000US$ mark. Sony has completely ignored to FF entry level segment so far.

 

Even if CaNikon started rolling it would take them at least 5 years to catch up now. How many lenses can they release per year ? 5 maybe ? And Sony has now reached full maturity in the prosumer class and can now venture either up and/or down the food chain.


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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:07 AM

If Canon comes up with a FF body at 1000$ mark (6Dm2, I presume), Sony will probably simply remind everyone that they still have the A7 and/or A7II. By reminding I mean release another model with slightly updates specs and a pretty competitive price. They already have quite a good cheap set of primes now (28&50&85) so I won't be surprised if they eventually release a cheap-ish body to go with them.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:16 AM

Canon shows that there is development in this direction, while Nikon are completely silent. Unless they've been working on something during the last 2 years and planed to announce it this year. Camera + 3 lenses?



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 01:38 AM

  I agree with Klaus, only I'll go a few steps further, with the huge margin that is growing between ML and DSLRs, the chances of Canikon catching the ML crowd much less Sony, is less than small and more likely non existent!

 

 Sony now; has to get it on with lenses of the telephoto variety if they want to pull the rug from under the feet of pro sports shooters and they seem to be fairly good at rushing expensive lenses to the market.

This is probably the biggest nail in the coffin of the DSLR to date, but nonetheless it's an expensive one and the lens range will take time and won't be cheap.

  In the real current world it will affect first the wedding and landscape shooter, sports and nature will take a somewhat longer, much of the lens shortage will have to be supported by Tamron and Sigma, who at this time have done little towards the ML market.

 

Exciting times? For me yes and no!..... Yes, I have always been interested in new technology especially of the photographic variety...and no, because it makes me a little sad to see what well could be the end of a current era.....I feel I am there photographically and want for little more than just the ability to continue as things are.

   Something about it leaves me cold and I will only look over the fence,  times move on and business has little sentiment for the past let alone the present...............   

    .........and watch out for single market domination! 

 

 

 To avoid Tony Northrup's contribution jump straight to Sony's technical presenter Mark Weir from 11 minutes on!

  



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:06 AM

Well, it was obvious that camera triggers predictable concerns. Over at Nasim's it goes down to a sports photographers who "learnt how to manual focus and these days everybody wants to become God".

 

I know lots of other samples we thought times become worse but l just think 20 fps can as well mean 20 bad pictures per second. I would not have got 20× more bird pictures :) And actually, a single good one from time to time will do.

 

The obvious advantage, no matter if Sony's lenses can catch up with that, are 693 AF points and no interfering mirror/shutter to keep the AF away from tracking. I'm curious if besides spectacular specs in terms of possible speed Sony mastered an intuitive UI and fast forward concept in terms of using it? But where the Nikon D7500 doesn't interest me to touch at all, I'd like to give this thing a tryout, just out of curiosity, not because it would make me do stuff I otherwise can't - but would like to be able to do.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:34 AM

   Well if a single bird picture from time to time will do, I would stick with what you've got!

 

   On a FF it will have to be quite a large bird, most birders theses days are using APSc sensors, while FF cameras are better suited to African wildlife and larger subjects.

 I'll stick with my D750 and it's similar resolution FF sensor for when photographing elephants!

 

  There's a whole market opened up for no compromise lens adapters however.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 05:45 PM

It is premature to call the alpha 9 a winner but if it is - well all we can say canikon chose to ignore the segment out of fear that it would hurt their dslr lineup.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 08:46 PM

After considerable thought it's just too small to be a good sports camera, even though it could do it....

 

 

   ......it's a perfect wedding camera though!



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:21 AM

After considerable thought it's just too small to be a good sports camera, even though it could do it....


......it's a perfect wedding camera though!


For Weddings and portraiture yes it does have the much needed 93% coverage AF points with face detection, however this is where you need a high performing flash system and here I dunno how good Sony is.
Already it lacks behind in x sync, does it have radio control and remote triggers? A flash system is much more than a camera hotshoe with a speedlight.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:26 AM

For Weddings and portraiture yes it does have the much needed 93% coverage AF points with face detection, however this is where you need a high performing flash system and here I dunno how good Sony is.
Already it lacks behind in x sync, does it have radio control and remote triggers? A flash system is much more than a camera hotshoe with a speedlight.

 It can shoot silently!...that's so huge for the I do's..

 

   1/250th X sync. I'm sure it can do flash fine...look at Jason Lanier's utubes!



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:08 AM

For Weddings and portraiture yes it does have the much needed 93% coverage AF points with face detection, however this is where you need a high performing flash system and here I dunno how good Sony is.
Already it lacks behind in x sync, does it have radio control and remote triggers? A flash system is much more than a camera hotshoe with a speedlight.

Uhhh... What do wedding photographers use now? 93% coverage of AF points, since they want their subject half out of the frame? Face detection?

And faster than 250th sec flash sync? 

Weird stuff.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:11 AM

BC, it's absolutely essential for those......... "in-flight twilight eloping couples marriages"........

 

      ........some of them get up to quite a speed even in the worst of lighting conditions!   :P  :D  :rolleyes:

 

 

  (excuse my humour)  :o


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:32 AM

... or if the coach is pulled by giraffes.

 

No horses around, you know?


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:59 PM

Uhhh... What do wedding photographers use now? 93% coverage of AF points, since they want their subject half out of the frame? Face detection?
And faster than 250th sec flash sync?
Weird stuff.

Well every time I do weddings, I feel I do need those features, at the photography club, we have plenty of guys that do weddings and all of them say they need those features.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 05:41 PM

Well every time I do weddings, I feel I do need those features, at the photography club, we have plenty of guys that do weddings and all of them say they need those features.

In my opinion a pretty strange photography club. And you are then not talking about wedding photographers, but lacking amateur photographers. Who need the camera to do their photography.

 

My camera's operator has face recognition built in  ;)



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:36 PM

To me this is classic Sony:

Load or overload the product with features to built significant spec sheet (at least on first glance).

Then make sure the specs are presented in the way that it shows the advantage over the competition, which is pure Sony number vs. camera B number.

I don't think this is Sony "listens to their customers", this is Sony  "wants to dominate".



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Posted 22 April 2017 - 08:06 AM

When the best products dominate - fine by me. And those who can´t compete - belly up eventually :D!



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Posted 22 April 2017 - 10:23 AM

To me this is classic Sony:

Load or overload the product with features to built significant spec sheet (at least on first glance).

Then make sure the specs are presented in the way that it shows the advantage over the competition, which is pure Sony number vs. camera B number.

I don't think this is Sony "listens to their customers", this is Sony  "wants to dominate".

 I don't want to be contrary but I think Sony have been listening, however they have also acted on a suck it and see basis, now I think they have found their way!

  Their dual cards slots and bigger battery have taken some time but they will finally be here.

 As for the rest it seems to have got it all in spades, it just rests to see how it all comes together as a working sports package, as long as there are no pitfalls it's role as a wedding camera is guaranteed!

  I for one would at least like to look through this wonder definition viewfinder.

 

  The forthcoming reviews will certainly attract my attention  






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