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#1 Klaus

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:00 AM

... but the Leica 12-60mm remains a ghost in down under ...

 

 


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM

And how is it optically ? Also is it as large as folks fear ?



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 11:24 AM

Hey, I just picked it up. I will post images on Monday.

 

But yes, in the MFT scope it is fairly big.


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 12:58 PM

Could you include pictures that compare this lens next to other lenses like 12-40f2.8 and 45f1.8 if you have them or similar available ?



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 01:29 PM

Size-wise ? I could offer you a comparison with the 12-40mm PRO and 7-14mm PRO (in the review).


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 01:30 PM

Could you include pictures that compare this lens next to other lenses like 12-40f2.8 and 45f1.8 if you have them or similar available ?

 

 

http://mirrorlesscom...2-100mm-f4-pro/

http://www.43rumors....ize-comparison/

 

HTH, kind regards, Wim

 



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:01 PM

Or you go here:

http://camerasize.co...25,594.412,ha,t


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Posted 27 April 2017 - 06:37 PM

Very nice. I am very curious to find out if you would confirm (or deny) the positive reports on the 12-100.

 

Later on, when you get the Leica 12-60, of course you'll have to make an IQ comparison between these 2 in their overlapping ranges and apertures (or at least F4).

 

Good luck!

 

 

... but the Leica 12-60mm remains a ghost in down under ...



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Posted 27 April 2017 - 09:26 PM

Klaus - A closet MFT fan?

 

Man, everyone including me, secretly loves these cameras!  Don't tell anyone!  Canon DSLR, Rah!



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 01:18 PM

I've always been a MFT fanboy.
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Posted 28 April 2017 - 10:44 PM

It's taken some convincing for me, but one of my naturalist photographer mentors got such great results I couldn't ignore it.  I haven't become a MILC user yet, but I like MFT and think it will be my first entry into that world, when the day comes.



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Posted 28 April 2017 - 11:04 PM

I'm curious about not yet available down under.  In Australia do they hit you with an import tax if your were to order the lens on amazon?  It seems like an odd practice to me on the one hand.  On the other hand camera shops have become a thing of the past in my area.  There is only one place I have seen were you can buy a new lens, and even then it is just Canon and Nikon, and only the high volume lenses.  The EF 40/2.8, and EF 85/1.8 are examples.  Basically low cost zooms, and entry level primes.  Still, the two I mentioned are ones I'd like to have.  They might just get me if I happen by with some extra bucks!



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Posted 29 April 2017 - 12:21 PM

Panasonic lenses are much cheaper here in Oz ...

Our revenues are now down 80% from the peak in 2013 thus we have to go for the cheapest option - not the fastest one. If we were a normal business we would have closed down already ...
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Posted 29 April 2017 - 10:32 PM

Why are revenues down by such a large margin ?



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Posted 30 April 2017 - 12:15 AM

Well, the industry is down 50%, the adblocker rate is at 50% plus some home grown issues (Nikon dormant for 2y, old portal). I am somewhat surprised that thing are down THAT much but it is how it is.
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Posted 30 April 2017 - 08:42 PM

It's taken some convincing for me, but one of my naturalist photographer mentors got such great results I couldn't ignore it.  I haven't become a MILC user yet, but I like MFT and think it will be my first entry into that world, when the day comes.

 

I'm going to jump into a MILC. Where I'm struggling is whether to go APS-C or MFT. The Sony a6300 with the 16-50 retractable lens cost $50US more than a Pany GX85 with the 12-32 pancake lens and is only 20g heavier. The size difference is also negligible. Overall performance, iso, focus, resolution, etc, definitely goes to the Sony. 

 

For a small easy to pocket/travel MFT kit I could add the Pany 35-100mm f/4.0-5.6 pancake lens and a 20/1.7 prime. While the zoom optics may not be great, this kit is appealing. Then stick to my Canon SLR gear for everything else.

 

The only downside to the Sony is once you add a medium zoom. The Sony 55-210 is twice as long retracted and 2.5x the weight. I keep feeling if Sony decides to come out with a retractable ~50-200mm lens for the alpha, it could put a last nail in the MFT coffin.



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Posted 30 April 2017 - 10:14 PM

Back to the 12-100mm.  If I remember, I think Tamron came up with the first 10x zoom lens for a DSLR.  The 18-200mm.  I got one, and I eventually sold it because I wanted to buy some other lens, but it wasn't that bad.  Still, don't the laws on lens snobbery exist anymore?  Can you really call a 10x zoom a PRO lens?  It makes me wonder if they aren't really packing these tiny MFT lenses with super technology that just might not be doable on much larger FF lenses do to their large size.  If a 10x zoom has PRO quality that is saying something.  I think Canon has released a really large zoom x factor "L- lens", but I sort of ignored it.  I figured it was just a fad.

 

OK, this is the lens: 

EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM

 

This is interesting to me only in the fact that Canon should not call this kind of lens L, should they?  See!  I'm a lens snob and I'm not really even a good photographer.  I just like taking pictures!  (I have access to Tamron's 28-300 Piezo Drive VC, but haven't really used it much.  It is compact, I will give them that!)

 

To tell the truth I don't even think the

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 USM L IS

 

Should be an "L-lens" because of the variable aperture.

 

On the other hand

Canon EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 USM L IS II

 

Most definitely deserves L status.  You have to have some exceptions.  A lens with this zoom range has size constraints.  I don't the the 70-300 is long enough, I mean, it's non-L variants have the same demographics!  I've heard it is better than it's numbers suggest (meaning its review numbers), but it seems like a hard sell to me!



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Posted 30 April 2017 - 11:31 PM

As I understand it, lens design keeps getting better plus improved software corrections can make a 10x zoom incredibly good apparently (pending Klaus' upcoming review). Better than ever before at least.

 

Pro quality adds build quality, focusing ability, stabilization, weather sealing etc - not necessarily just the aperture or zoom range.


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 07:24 AM

Pro lenses need the ability to separate the subject. This f8 FF equivalent lens does not have that. For the rest it appears to be pretty good.



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Posted 01 May 2017 - 07:30 AM

Impressed - especially at the wide end.

Excessive RAW distortions at 12mm though (as usual).


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