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Ultrawide double punch from Sony: 16-35 and 12-24


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#1 Rover

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 05:15 PM

No rest for the wicked, eh?

https://www.dpreview...sed-lens-range 

 

https://www.dpreview...ull-frame-zoom 

 

That ticks quite a few boxes there. Even though personally, I would've still chosen the 16-35/4 ZA, just like I did in the Canon land, the 12-24 looks pretty enticing (the 16-35/2.8, not so much, but YMMV).


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 06:14 PM

Hmmmm.

 

https://www.dpreview...lery/6598017257

 

My boxes were ticked, after I tried very hard to get some flares out of the Sigma 12-24/4.

 

Could get a little bit, but not as strong as the Sony shows:

 

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Okay, the Nikkor 14-24 still IS the master of flare.



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Posted 17 May 2017 - 07:04 PM

I think I'm getting the 12-24. It's almost my wet dream come true.



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Posted 17 May 2017 - 07:51 PM

Sony are quite committed to the FF cameras, it seems.

The prices as expected very high.



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Posted 17 May 2017 - 11:21 PM

Well, the price for the 12-24mm f/4 is quite good (1700US$) when compared to the Canon 11-24mm f/4 (2700US$). Even the Sigma 12-24mm f/4 is just marginally cheaper (1600US$).

 

The 16-35mm GM is just marginally more expensive then than Canon 16-35L III

 

But yes, the cheap times are over.


FWIW, the MTFs for the 12-24mm look a bit meh - especially at 24mm.


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Posted 17 May 2017 - 11:52 PM

I'm a bit circling around in thoughts: Which FL I used most with the 14-24? Just checked quickly, but then I noticed the summary doesn't fit. Some of the pictures - majority - didn' show their actual FL, although it was the same camera  :blink:

 

Okay, without evidence: I think most pictures I did were not at 24 mm but in the range of 14-18mm. So, before I replace the 14-24, I want to wait for and test/tryout Sigma's 14/1.8 No easy call: a fast UWA coming with lots of focus problems - I saw them happening with 20/1.4 Art. Or a much less fast, but wider zoom. also AF problems. I don't know and I'm happy not to have to make the decision now. The AF problems are only concerning normal PD-AF.



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:00 AM

Just to add that with hype around mirror-less and the lack of it in DSLR part of town, it feels like a whole era it's about to end.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:14 AM

Just to add that with hype around mirror-less and the lack of it in DSLR part of town, it feels like a whole era it's about to end.

 

Similar to the end of the film era almost 2 decades ago.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:59 AM

Just to add that with hype around mirror-less and the lack of it in DSLR part of town, it feels like a whole era it's about to end.

Although Sony's release frenzy is completely insane. I thought Fuji was fast but Sony is beating that pace.

What I'm wondering about ... how many can possibly afford gear at this price level? The GM stuff is clearly in professional or snob territory.
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#10 JoJu

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:11 AM

frenzy = frequency?

 

With our western world view we tend to ignore 1 billion people in China with big gaps between very rich and insanely poor. And I think, nearly everybody in China knows Sony. Less so, Canon and Nikon. I'm wondering how Chinese people buy their gear. We just don't know much about that.



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 08:46 AM

Yeah the prices are ridiculous.

How many good lenses are sanely priced in the Sony FF lineup ? Maybe 2 or 3 at best?

That's absurd.

Clearly Sony is aiming at the pro market first. Maybe later they will address the enthusiast crowd (or so I hope).


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:02 AM

It's true that - looking at previous releases - the street price is almost immediately lower; but, yes, the price is high. Unfortunately, as we're commenting in another post, I think it's a trend that is going to stay... In any case, after the a6300 I can declare "arsenal complete".  :)


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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm ƒ/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm ƒ/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm ƒ/2.8, Samyang 8mm ƒ/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm ƒ/2 
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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:08 AM

Guys, before you complain about "insanely high prices": Please prove to do a better lens at lower prices! These days everybody became an expert in how much a certain item "is allowed to be sold at". At the end manufacturers blurb about "price pressure" and produce in low level countries, because you give them the excuse to do so. Are you sure your jobs remain safe that way? Are you sure you have the overview about financing and target turnarounds?

 

You don't work for free and you don't work for the same salary you did 20 years ago. Buy the lens or leave it or build your own at lower costs. No one has to go the "new Mark II, III IV" each other year. I'm really a bit fed up about all hobby-analysts, the professional analysts already creating a lot of damage.



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:18 AM

I think that we have some hint to assert that Sony's prices are higher... let's compare some lens. For instance, the 100-400 ƒ⁄4.5-5.6. Just looked at B&H: Canon is priced at $2000, Sony at $2500. It's to be said that the Canon lens is legendary and the Sony has still to demonstrate it's on par (or eventually better). It's 25% more expensive.


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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm ƒ/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm ƒ/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm ƒ/2.8, Samyang 8mm ƒ/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm ƒ/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 10:16 AM

 Sony has a bunch of people with money in their pockets to spend on lenses they so far haven't been able to buy, this is a good situation for them, with most other brands you can pick or choose.

 The way I'm seeing Sony at the moment is, they know they are in the ascendant in a DSLR market that's generally in decline (nothing new there) The A9 is and will cause more "heat" than any other camera, that's for certain........

 

    .....all that's needed now is the lenses and Sony are doing great with the new G Masters, the reviews are now out, the 16-35mm F2.8 is kicking butt, so they can ask top dollar!



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:20 PM

Although Sony's release frenzy is completely insane. I thought Fuji was fast but Sony is beating that pace.

What I'm wondering about ... how many can possibly afford gear at this price level? The GM stuff is clearly in professional or snob territory.

 

Photo forums are full of "Sony doesn't have enough lenses" messages. Even the insane pace we see now seems not enough to please the crowds.

 

Sony prices are indeed high, but new gear from the competition is not cheap either.

As income of professional photographers is going down due to market pressure (see how many newspapers laid off in-house staff), I guess the target now is rich amateurs who believe they need corner sharpness wide open.

On the other side, if the megapixel race goes on, maybe wide open will soon be the only aperture without diffraction killing the resolution.



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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:24 PM

 I guess the target now is rich amateurs who believe they need corner sharpness wide open.

 

It could be... and it would be worrisome, because it wouldn't last long.


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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm ƒ/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm ƒ/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm ƒ/2.8, Samyang 8mm ƒ/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm ƒ/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.

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Posted 18 May 2017 - 09:49 PM

Define "last long".

 

The lenses will probably last longer than the bodies - or the refreshment circle of the next mount  :lol:



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 12:08 AM

Define "last long".

 

Well, the next economic bubble that bursts... 4/5 years?


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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm ƒ/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm ƒ/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm ƒ/2.8, Samyang 8mm ƒ/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm ƒ/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.

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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:29 AM

These bubbles burst on a daily basis, at least one big idea gets crunched every day - just pick your choice.  :(

 

If that madness in the world increases intensity and/or speed, I'm afraid we'll be lucky to see only this kind of burst within the next 5 years.  :mellow:


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