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#1 Klaus

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 02:56 AM

I hate it already. Not the lens but the efforts for testing it.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

My deepest condolences for that.  ^_^  And then the people will appear asking for "since you already overcame all these troubles, why not going on and test the Sports and the Tamrons and whatever more there's around." Or provoke Marcus to attack the Nikon 200-500, horrible. Then all the "equivalent" 100-400 APS-C lenses, oh my. A barrel without a bottom.

 

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For me the troubles were less the optical performance but to go through all of the learning process to get the lens to perform like it could.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 08:56 AM

Maybe I missed it, but the logistical problems of testing longer focal lengths are overcome now? 


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:01 AM

Maybe I missed it, but the logistical problems of testing longer focal lengths are overcome now? 

 

Well, you can't test such a lens in a lab ... 

Maybe Bill Gates has rooms of such a length but I don't ...  :D


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:05 AM

So you rent Sydney harbor bridge on a mist-and-dust-free day? Cute.



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 10:10 AM

So you rent Sydney harbor bridge on a mist-and-dust-free day? Cute.

 

Well, the good news is that the Sydney harbor bridge is usually mist-free and thanks to the wind there isn't too much dust. However, the tourists are sort of disturbing. 

 

My plan B for testing these beasts is to go underground. ;-)


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:09 AM

Ew... And there's also the Tamron G2 on the horizon... :o

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:00 PM

    I've solved the problem,, give Elon Musk a tinkle (call)   he's got some sort of above ground tunnel thing on the go, it's nice and long and straight..........apparently it's a partial vacuum!!!

 

 

       ......should be good for tele-zoom lens testing!!  

 

 

 

     Errrr..........what is it called????     Hassleloop..........errr..no,........Hyperblad ....errr? 

 

 

     Something like that  ....  Hmmm....it will come to me....now what was it?......



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:18 PM

apparently it's a partial vacuum!!!

Given lenses are (usually) designed to work in air, would the different in refractive index affect results though? You didn't think it through :) 


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:21 PM

Ew... And there's also the Tamron G2 on the horizon... :o

 

Never heard of this one ...  :rolleyes:


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 12:58 PM

SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 lens!!

 

  Another bombshell G2 lens?  Go on Tamron do your stuff!!



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 01:14 PM

SP 24-70mm f/2.8 Di VC USD G2 lens!!

 

  Another bombshell G2 lens?  Go on Tamron do your stuff!!

 

We'll, of course, test this one. However, while exceptions apply I'm not overly impressed by what Tamron is doing.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 01:41 PM

Well, you can't test such a lens in a lab ... 

 

 

 

You should hire a street artist and have a lens target painted on a wall at the proper distance from your lab...


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 02:21 PM

We'll, of course, test this one. However, while exceptions apply I'm not overly impressed by what Tamron is doing.

 

     Needless to say I am, especially impressed by the equivalent to the C your testing, the "A022 G2". 

 

 However, looking at the zone list there isn't one of the new  G2 series lenses so far tested.......(soon to be)

 

     Reviews are coming from all directions that the 10-20mm G2,  35mm + 45mm + 90 mm macro and all reports state good build, great AF sharpness, VC  + of course the Tapin USB dock.

 

                            ............maybe what wins me over the most is, the accurate AF and the VC which is missing from Sigma's range...

   

  ......Sigma have now established itself a solidly poor reputation in the consistent  AF department, almost across the board with their Art series!

 

 

     Prove me wrong by testing the A0022 G2........................... it out-classes the "C"!



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 03:04 PM

The 150-600mm G2 is 40% more expensive than the "C" ...

 

One reason why I don't like Tamrons is their miserable resale value making it very expensive to test them. e.g. We had a 50% when selling the 35mm f/1.8 SP. A used banana sells for more.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 03:35 PM

We'll, of course, test this one. However, while exceptions apply I'm not overly impressed by what Tamron is doing.

The 35/45/85mm f/1.8 lenses all look tasty. Ditto most of the new zooms, especially the 15-30. If I ever get around to stocking on fast primes beyond the 24/1.4 that I already have, it'd be the Tamrons (45 and 85). The new 10-24 VC looks interesting as well.

 

Not sure what your gripe with these is...



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 03:39 PM

Ack, I can't paste a quote into an already existing post without it getting messed up, and I'm unable to post text below it... so excuse the double post.

One reason why I don't like Tamrons is their miserable resale value making it very expensive to test them. e.g. We had a 50% when selling the 35mm f/1.8 SP. A used banana sells for more.

I think that'll soon change, same as with the Sigma since the Global Vision came along. It's a lot better now because the Arts are in high demand. The kit junk, of course, is never going to fare well in this regard. I think the mass market isn't quite understanding the drift just yet regarding the (truly) new Tamron offerings...



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 05:07 PM

The 150-600mm G2 is 40% more expensive than the "C" ...

 

One reason why I don't like Tamrons is their miserable resale value making it very expensive to test them. e.g. We had a 50% when selling the 35mm f/1.8 SP. A used banana sells for more.

The C is 810 euros.......G2 1009  euros (both grey)  in my book that's 200 euros extra well spent!  Sold my G1 for 650 euros a loss of 280 euros so for one year and a bit of use, not so bad!

 

  As for the bananas my guess is it depends on who used it!........ I certainly would get much for any bananas I use!

 

  Maybe you have a certain "je ne sais quoi" with your bananas!   :P   However spare me the details.... :blink:



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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:07 PM

I'm just reporting the resale experience with the 35mm SP. I didn't create the market situation.

 

The question is, for instance, why one should buy a 35mm f/1.8 SP given the situation that the Canon 35mm f/2 is 1/3 cheaper.

These SP primes are all very expensive relative to their specs - and way too close to the f/1.4 Sigma ARTs.

 

700EUR for the 45mm f/1.8 VC - that's just nuts - sorry to say that.

The 85mm f/1.4 VC costs 800EUR vs 500EUR for the new Nikkor 85mm f/1.8 - the Nikkor has no VC but I'd say that this is hardly an argument for most Nikon users when they have the choice between Nikon and something third-party. It's even more extreme over at Canon (but that 85mm is ancient).

 

The 150-600mm G2 is reasonably priced, I'm not so sure about the 70-200mm G2.

 

Who buys the 10-24mm VC for essentially the same price like the Sigma 8-16mm ?

 

Honestly I understand why the resale value is so low because otherwise the pricing doesn't make much sense.


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Posted 25 May 2017 - 11:15 PM

Dave, you and your grey sources...  :rolleyes: In None-grey Klaus is right, difference in CH is also around 35%.

 

But I feel I got enough for it: The collar is great, the Arca rail comes for free. Sigma Contemporary: Additional rail needed, hurts when carrying. Probably better sealing, but I let others step forward to find out about that. The zoom lock at any position is outstanding and very useful. Even better than the Sigma Sports version in this aspect.

 

As for the other f/1.8 lenses: They are pretty close to the Sigma cousins in terms of performance, but due to the aperture lighter - or am I wrong about that?






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