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#1 Reinier

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Posted 01 July 2017 - 10:30 PM

Hello All,

 

I hope you are all doing well. It was about time I got back to the forum, which unfortunately, is not always possible. But it is great when I am able to visit, when I can!

I had bought a defective lens(I repair lenses now and then) from someone in the Netherlands. It arrived a few days later and everything seemed fine. A month or so later the seller contacted me saying he had some more lenses for sale. So, I thought I could trust him and paid. He shipped the lenses and he also sold lenses to an acquaintance who lives in the other side of the Netherlands. But the packages never arrived. It is a long story and I won't go into details further, but because I was conned, I looked elsewhere and have spoken to several people whose photographic equipment got stolen or people who sold their equipment and the people who bought it, paid with a fake app. So, after the buyer left, they noticed that they had not been paid.

 

Most of the people I spoke, never wrote down the serial numbers of their equipment. So, it is almost impossible to find it back or check if someone sells stolen equipment.

 

So, after my own problems and the stories of these people, I decided to take photographs of all my stuff. One general overview photograph and one of the serial number. This is even better then writing it down, because now I can show it to my insurance company if something happens and I can check if my equipment would surface somewhere or has been found, if it was to be stolen.

 

In the Netherlands there is a website to check if goods are stolen www.stopheling.nl. You can enter a serial number and add your own if it is stolen. Maybe there is one in your country as well.

 

I hope appreciate my tips and take it to heart to stop these conmen's from taking our stuff or selling stolen goods on.

 

Kind regards,

 

Reinier

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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Posted 02 July 2017 - 06:46 AM

   Yes, actually when I'm searching 'Le Bon Coin" in France, unless I can speak to the buyer personally on the phone I won't follow up the purchase, many now won't give out their number, so I reply to the mail asking to contact me by phone, if they do, I chat ask a few photographic questions and study their replies..............the human voice and straightforward answers tell much about the seller. 

  No call no sale!

 

   Some things for sale don't actually exist in real life, why steal when you can sell something on line you don't even need to have?

 

Oh and watch out for those who send you a link to a site trashing Paypal and asking to pay by bank transfer....a link to that site will come only from con-artists!...........never ever send a bank transfer!.....usually it goes into an account that hasn't a persons name. The banks are not allowed to give out any information about the account, the only way to pursue a reclamation is through the courts!

 

Caveat emptor!

 

   Nearly got caught out once, I saw on "Le Bon Coin" site a D800 (€830) only two kms down the road, sent a mail to ring me, got another mail back..."I'm in England, I'll put it on ebay UK" + the famous Paypal trashing link" + a request to pay by Bank transfer.

   I looked at his ebay record...thousands of boat chandlery items, nothing over €10, not a lens or anything photographic, with a business name!.......he'd blagged it from someone no doubt. his address was in London,  an architectual company.....(selling boat chandlery??)..........later that day the D800 was still there. 

 The next day the on the Bon Coin there's the Ad again, same photo, same wording, same price.

​ I signaled "un abuse" to the site and gave them all the info, the Ad was removed. The seller would have been informed that the Ad had been reported and had been removed.

   One month later the same Ad appeared again, I sent a link from the mail I received from TBC, again it was removed....the last time a while later the same Ad, it was again removed it never appeared again.  

 

  The guy was obviously a "barsteward".......... I enjoyed messing up his scam, he could have caught out several innocent buyers!



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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:44 AM

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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:58 AM

I only buy via hand to hand delivery the advantage of living in a tiny country.
I even became friends with Zahi from whom I bought lenses he's actually one of my best friends now, yesterday we were shooting together and he has used his own ex lenses :D.
I just remembered a funny scam, some Russian ladies claimed they wanted to become jihadis wives and scammed ISIS, funny isn't it?



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Posted 02 July 2017 - 07:58 AM

  BTW Klaus for some reason your emoticons "always show up" as their component parts here; all I see here is,

 

                          : - (    

 

    I have added a space between each letter to show you how it looks to me.....   

 

   Not sure if you're crying, laughing,  sad or what!

 

 

 

            :-(    Hmmm....strange!



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Posted 02 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

:( I think he meant that one but adding a dash in between leads to "no emoji".

 

I never use eBay these days, too big the chances to end up as victim of conmen. Had that once. Complaining at eBay only lead to an offer to give my rights to them so they could sue the seller. But that would mean say Goodbye to a part of the money. At that time I thought police would fine him. Easy enough because whilst I was trying to find out what happened he went into prison.

 

Likely to learn how to do better without getting catched next time.  :ph34r:

 

Couple of times I wanted to sell something and got a mail like "I pay more but you have to send the item to my sister / brother whatever in a country far away" Sure I do.... And for the rest of sold items I never had a bad experience - just one bought Pentax lens arrived with Fungus. Coming from a "professional" photo dealer.

 

It's easier to betray these days and the chances are high the thieves or conmen get away.



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:40 AM

:-(

 

  I guess we will never know!



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:03 PM

Hi Guys,

 

A phonecall is no guaranty that you won't get conned. I have spoken to this guy and he later even called me back saying he wanted to help me find the lenses or refund them, but 2 months on and it stays silent.

 

I know there is always a risk, but a saying in Dutch is 'A warned men count for two (men)). .

 

 

Kind regards,

Reinier



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Posted 03 July 2017 - 10:44 PM

Hi Guys,

 

A phonecall is no guaranty that you won't get conned. I have spoken to this guy and he later even called me back saying he wanted to help me find the lenses or refund them, but 2 months on and it stays silent.

 

I know there is always a risk, but a saying in Dutch is 'A warned men count for two (men)). .

 

 

Kind regards,

Reinier

That should then be "a warned man counts as two"

But we say mens, so more correct should be "a warned human counts as two".



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:35 AM

 

 

Hi Guys,

 

A phonecall is no guaranty that you won't get conned. I have spoken to this guy and he later even called me back saying he wanted to help me find the lenses or refund them, but 2 months on and it stays silent.

 

I know there is always a risk, but a saying in Dutch is 'A warned men count for two (men)). .

 

 

Kind regards,

Reinier

  There's never a guarantee that you won't get conned, only a guarantee that you might do!



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:46 AM

That should then be "a warned man counts as two"

But we say mens, so more correct should be "a warned human counts as two".  

 

 The English expression is:    "To be warned is to be armed" 

 

 

There is no such word as "mens"  men is already plural...... However, there is a word men's............the apostrophe before the "s" means to belong to!   (men)......as in "the men's room"  

 

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 10:25 AM

Just a side note, in the medical field, we know that usually catastrophes happen when you are not aware, take the example of tetanus a deadly disease yet easy to prevent, because vaccination is done in childhood and repeated every ten years, everyone is protected yet the medical personnel always verifies immunization status for every wound just because the disease is deadly yet easy to prevent, with that we still have cases of tetanus and guess what's the most frequent cause ? it's roses spikes 

Why ? people never suspect getting tetanus from a rose spike and don't seek treatment... 



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 02:47 PM

You are right, Birghtcolours, it was past my bed time when I wrote :unsure: .

 

Mistakes like these are easily made, I normally have a habit of reading mine post once over. But sometimes I just forget or just miss my own errors. Hope it has been forgiven :lol: .

 

 

Kind regards,

Reinier


Sorry, I meant 'when I wrote it'. I forgot to place 'it'.



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 02:57 PM

That's new for me that rose thorns can cause tetanus.

 

Here you only advised to get a tetanus shot when you cut yourself, or just in my case 2 months ago, the cat lay on the arm rest of the sofa and I was lieing on the floor. The cat woke up, fell and came down on my face and thereby scratched my neck. A cut of 15 cm was the damage.

 

 

So, even indoors is not safe!

 

 

 

 

 

Kind regards,

Reinier



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 05:14 PM

That's new for me that rose thorns can cause tetanus.

Here you only advised to get a tetanus shot when you cut yourself, or just in my case 2 months ago, the cat lay on the arm rest of the sofa and I was lieing on the floor. The cat woke up, fell and came down on my face and thereby scratched my neck. A cut of 15 cm was the damage.


So, even indoors is not safe!





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Reinier


ANY wound can cause tetanus, nobody treats rose thorns that's why they are the leading cause of tetanus, bigger more dangerous wounds usually are treated, that's why ideal thing to do is vaccination, a shot every ten years that's not a big prevention effort

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 06:56 PM

Indeed, if you can prevent tetanus, then that's a good thing.

 

I got the shot because of our cat. 15 years ago I got one, when I cut myself while sawing. 13 years before that I got one because of a moped accident.

 

Maybe there is a difference in countries, that one is more prone for tetanus occur than another?

 

 

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Reinier



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Posted 04 July 2017 - 08:22 PM

Indeed, if you can prevent tetanus, then that's a good thing.

I got the shot because of our cat. 15 years ago I got one, when I cut myself while sawing. 13 years before that I got one because of a moped accident.

Maybe there is a difference in countries, that one is more prone for tetanus occur than another?


Kind regards,

Reinier


Since you're interested in infectious diseases:
Clostridium tetani the bacteria that causes tetanus, has a very effective survival method: It transforms itself onto a spore that can live for a very very long time once inside a wound it germinates, multiplies and produces the toxin responsible for the disease ( yes it's the toxin that has high affinity on motoneurones that control the muscles that causes the disease not the bacteria itself that's why antibiotics are of no help) vaccination is very effective since antibodies not only help killing the bacteria but also bind to the toxin and neutralize it.
Problem with vaccination is it's not immediate you need time to develop immunity that's why usually a serum containing antibodies is usually given with vaccination for immediate protection.

If in a country X everyone has had vaccines you won't have people having the disease but the spores are always there so you are not safe unless you have had your vaccine.

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Posted 07 July 2017 - 10:40 AM

 

 

There is no such word as "mens"  men is already plural...... However, there is a word men's............the apostrophe before the "s" means to belong to!   (men)......as in "the men's room"  

 

Mens is a dutch word.






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