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#1 Vieux loup

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 11:29 AM

Hello Thomas/Markus, this new lens has been reviewed in other sites, but when do we get ours? It seems, if you read Ken Rockwell, that it is something quite extraordinary in terms of boukeh and ability to extract the zone of DOF from the rest of the image. Me would like one...! Kindly Vieux Loup
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Posted 03 March 2011 - 12:21 PM

Well, not sure when the review is done, but I just placed an order for the lens. I hope to have it early next week.

We also had offers for two loaners, but frankly I prefer to spend a little more time with such a lens than loaner units usually allow.

Couldn't order earlier, since availability was rather poor ... especially at the dealers I usually prefer to order from.

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Posted 03 March 2011 - 12:23 PM

Good news :rolleyes: We all look forward to your excellent review!! Kindly VL
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Posted 03 March 2011 - 08:44 PM

The 85mm f1.4 does not have great bokeh, for such a lens... a distinct nisen bokeh effect. Of course, it does blur a lot due to f1.4. But great or "creamy" bokeh? Not really.

But the Sigma 85mm f1.4 does not offer creamy or very smooth bokeh either, so the choice for the Nikon mount is a bit limited.

Subject separation-wise, of course, both are great. It is just the quality of the bokeh that fails to impress.

For Nikon, bokeh quality wise, I think I would look at the Nikon AF 85mm f1.8 D instead. Bokeh can still have a bit of nisen quality to it, but I find the rendering more pleasing (as far as I can tell). And it is a lot cheaper, this lens.

Anyway, your friend in determining the bokeh quality of a lens:
http://www.pixel-peeper.com . Here you can clearly find the Nisen bokeh from the Nikons.

Explanation about nisen bokeh:
http://www.sony.ca/h...Minisite/2.html

Bokeh example Nikon 85mm f1.8 D showing double lines, making for busy nisen bokeh in the background:
http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

Bokeh example Nikon 85mm f1.4 D (old version) showing double lines and all over restlessness in the background rendering:
http://www.flickr.co...@N05/3917242167
Annoyingly, pixel-peeper does not (yet?) make a distinction between the old and the new version. But on flickr a search gives enough examples that show the bokeh of the new AF-S G version:
http://www.flickr.co...210/4938463678/
http://www.flickr.co...N03/4989101766/
http://www.flickr.co...ol-1487209@N24/

Bokeh eamples Sigma 85mm f1.4 EX DG HSM (not yet in pixel-peeper, so do a search in flickr):
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22

My unscientific rating of all 3 lenses, I would rate the Nikon f1.8 and Sigma f1.4 higher than both Nikon f1.4's, even though they all are not true bokeh-stars (for 85mm lenses).
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Posted 04 March 2011 - 12:20 AM

My unscientific rating of all 3 lenses, I would rate the Nikon f1.8 and Sigma f1.4 higher than both Nikon f1.4's, even though they all are not true bokeh-stars (for 85mm lenses).


According to what I saw here:
http://neilvn.com/ta...eh-a-few-notes/
the Canon's 85/1.8 is even better.

Btw, I have made an article about bokeh here: http://jtra.cz/stuff...okeh/index.html

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 04:48 AM

It seems, if you read Ken Rockwell, ...

We can read Ken Rockwell, but can Ken Rockwell read?


that it is something quite extraordinary in terms of boukeh and ability to extract the zone of DOF from the rest of the image. Me would like one...! Kindly Vieux Loup

It's extraordinary compared to the 85 1.4D which had dog bokeh with bright highlighted rings around the OOF circles.

GTW

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 05:18 AM

The 85mm f1.4 does not have great bokeh, for such a lens... a distinct nisen bokeh effect. Of course, it does blur a lot due to f1.4. But great or "creamy" bokeh? Not really.

But the Sigma 85mm f1.4 does not offer creamy or very smooth bokeh either, so the choice for the Nikon mount is a bit limited.

Subject separation-wise, of course, both are great. It is just the quality of the bokeh that fails to impress.

For Nikon, bokeh quality wise, I think I would look at the Nikon AF 85mm f1.8 D instead. Bokeh can still have a bit of nisen quality to it, but I find the rendering more pleasing (as far as I can tell). And it is a lot cheaper, this lens.

Anyway, your friend in determining the bokeh quality of a lens:
http://www.pixel-peeper.com . Here you can clearly find the Nisen bokeh from the Nikons.

Explanation about nisen bokeh:
http://www.sony.ca/h...Minisite/2.html

Bokeh example Nikon 85mm f1.8 D showing double lines, making for busy nisen bokeh in the background:
http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

Bokeh example Nikon 85mm f1.4 D (old version) showing double lines and all over restlessness in the background rendering:
http://www.flickr.co...@N05/3917242167
Annoyingly, pixel-peeper does not (yet?) make a distinction between the old and the new version. But on flickr a search gives enough examples that show the bokeh of the new AF-S G version:
http://www.flickr.co...210/4938463678/
http://www.flickr.co...N03/4989101766/
http://www.flickr.co...ol-1487209@N24/

Bokeh eamples Sigma 85mm f1.4 EX DG HSM (not yet in pixel-peeper, so do a search in flickr):
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22
http://www.flickr.co...ool-1464365@N22

My unscientific rating of all 3 lenses, I would rate the Nikon f1.8 and Sigma f1.4 higher than both Nikon f1.4's, even though they all are not true bokeh-stars (for 85mm lenses).


I am very glad to read this.

Two months ago I bought the 85 1.8D. I choosed 85 1.8D instead of the 85 1.4D with the thought "I do not care much about bokeh quality so 85 1.8D is good enough for me and it is a lot cheaper". Regarding the extra 2/3 f-stop, I thought that at least for me the f1.4 with 85mm would be rarely used.

It seems that I had made a right decision.

Frank

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Posted 04 March 2011 - 09:59 PM

Good news, lens already arrived today.

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 10:24 PM

Good news, lens already arrived today.

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I´m looking forward to your review very much, too. :) Especially if the "sombrero effect" of the sharpness at f1.4, which slgear.com wrote about and showed in a graph, is going to be confirmed by you... or not. There was much discussion about it in forums.

( http://www.slrgear.c...uct/1357/cat/12 - you have probably seen to, though...)

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Posted 05 March 2011 - 10:29 PM

Not sure if I can see such an effect directly, since I measure at 3 spots only. Maybe the DX measurement will give some indication.

A similar thing might be present in the AF-S 35. The lens shows surprisingly poor border and corner performance on the D7000 (at large apertures).

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Posted 06 March 2011 - 12:10 AM

Not sure if I can see such an effect directly, since I measure at 3 spots only. Maybe the DX measurement will give some indication.

A similar thing might be present in the AF-S 35. The lens shows surprisingly poor border and corner performance on the D7000 (at large apertures).

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mm, OK. I find what you are saying a bit disturbing (about the 35 AF-S)... These lenses have been constructed primamrily for full frame use but still... Lets see what 85mm 1.4G shows, I cant wait.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 02:03 PM

Lets see what 85mm 1.4G shows, I cant wait.


Looks good so far.

At least that's the words I would choose as a reviewer.

If you asked the other guy in me, the passionate fast glass shooter, my answer would probably be more like: Wohoo! This thing rocks! :blink:

Even despite its ugly bokeh :P

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 03:16 PM

Looks good so far.

At least that's the words I would choose as a reviewer.

If you asked the other guy in me, the passionate fast glass shooter, my answer would probably be more like: Wohoo! This thing rocks! :blink:

Even despite its ugly bokeh :P

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OK, so publish it ASAP please, this is pure teasing... :rolleyes:

BTW, again... I expect total contradiction with the "optyczne.pl/lenstip.com" site which rated the 85/1.4G (below)average... That´s wierd:

http://www.optyczne....ość_obrazu.html

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 04:14 PM

OK, so publish it ASAP please, this is pure teasing... :rolleyes:

BTW, again... I expect total contradiction with the "optyczne.pl/lenstip.com" site which rated the 85/1.4G (below)average... That´s wierd:

http://www.optyczne....ość_obrazu.html

Lenstip did not rate the Nikon 85mm f1.4 G below average...

The say that on one hand, wide open, it does not do better than the $300 Samyang, and that is for a $1700 lens (not strange, the Samyang is a very impressive lens).

They continue to say that stopping down it becomes sharper than other 85mm's the tested, and that its astigmatism correction is sensational. Also the comment on the good build quality and silent and efficient AF.

All in all a very favorable conclusion, they just wished it was a bit cheaper.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 05:13 PM

Lenstip did not rate the Nikon 85mm f1.4 G below average...

The say that on one hand, wide open, it does not do better than the $300 Samyang, and that is for a $1700 lens (not strange, the Samyang is a very impressive lens).

They continue to say that stopping down it becomes sharper than other 85mm's the tested, and that its astigmatism correction is sensational. Also the comment on the good build quality and silent and efficient AF.

All in all a very favorable conclusion, they just wished it was a bit cheaper.


You are right, the lens was not classified as "below average", I exaggerated that.
But don´t take my comment literally, please.

I meant the measured resolution (by them) was just average (i.e. in the range that is of most interest here - f1.4-f2.0), nothing exceptional
(which is what Markus suggested here). Esp.the central resolution at f1.4-f2.0 has no "wow" factor (compared to Canon 85L for instance) by their measurement. Being an update of 85/f1.4D, which was famous esp.for its central sharpness (and too blurry corners, too), one would expect better performance in the latest 1.4G here.

Lets see and compare the data from Photozone.de. Im really curious.

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 08:37 PM

OK, so publish it ASAP please, this is pure teasing... :rolleyes:


It'll take a few more days, I'm afraid.

However, in the meantime, here are a few sample images I snapped today:

http://photozone.smu...iews/afs8514gfx

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Posted 07 March 2011 - 11:42 PM

It'll take a few more days, I'm afraid.

However, in the meantime, here are a few sample images I snapped today:

http://photozone.smu...iews/afs8514gfx

-- Markus


OMG, this lens is crazy sharp, I count f1.4 into that too! Can´t believe what I am seeing! I´m going to buy it in all probability.

Do you think I can place my order on-line or would it be worth it to go somewhere where they have more copies of the lens and check for sample variations (at f1.4) ?

Anyway, Markus - thanks a lot for this and all the pre-review communication in forums, I appreciate that (and dont want to abuse it...).

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 02:01 AM

Yep, it's sharp straight from f/1.4.

Where are you located, Martin? If you're somewhere in Europe, we might be able to work something out, the lens will need to find a new home after the reviews.

If you're interested, feel free to contact me by mail, the adress can be found here:

http://www.photozone.de/impressum

I also just uploaded sample images from the Sigma 85/1.4 EX. Except for the heavy coma issue mentioned in another thread already, it's also a pretty good lens:

http://photozone.smu...ews/ex8514hsmfx

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Posted 08 March 2011 - 03:20 AM

Esp.the central resolution at f1.4-f2.0 has no "wow" factor (compared to Canon 85L for instance) by their measurement.

The 85 1.2L II has better center resolution at f/1.2 than the 84 1.4G wide open:
http://www.flickr.co...iter/5057691550


Being an update of 85/f1.4D, which was famous esp.for its central sharpness (and too blurry corners, too), one would expect better performance in the latest 1.4G here.

Sure the 85 1.4D was sharper in the center than in the corners but the question is, was it sharper than the rest? ;)

The "latest 1.4G" doesn't mean anything other than a built-in motor. For example it took Nikon 35 years to develop their 24 1.4 and here's how it compares to the 24 1.4L II:
http://www.flickr.co...iter/4698284415

The 35G's worse, but I haven't had time to publish my results yet.

GTW
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 10:58 AM

Interesting that your results completely contradict mine ...

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