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Nikon Z launched
(10-01-2018, 05:26 PM)JJ_SO Wrote: martind86, I wasn't getting Sony when there was no Nikon mirrorless and I will simply not go Sony since there are close to no well working Nikon adapters available for it.

"With the sub-par AF tracking performance, it spoils the fun for me, too." I don't think you bought a Z7, so I guess you're chewing second hand "first impressions" reports. Neither AF-tracking nor other things spoil the fuin for me. So far I didn't see striping and banding, the AF is the best LV AF I've seen on a Nikon so far. I updated the Fuji firmwware a couple of times and saw what their software engineers could do. To me the version 1.00 will not be in charge for long time, hopefully. For a first throw Nikon (as well as Canon) made a lot of things right.

Nobody will sell / exchange all DSLR gear for the Z-line, it's too early.

And it was only a question of time until someone foudn a hair in the big pot of soup. Took them rather long, it's available since last Thursday...


Hi JJ So,

yes, it is the second-hand reports of course. You know, for all-around practical use, I consider the following as key aspects:  Sensor's low-light and dynamic range performance and AF tracking & AF sensitivity. When a camera (Z7) has a very low AF hit rate of just a walking person (not talking about running grayhound here) and stripping/banding in shadows, I consider it no-go. But that is me, not you, of course. 

Martin

(10-01-2018, 05:42 PM)toni-a Wrote:
(10-01-2018, 05:06 PM)martind86 Wrote: Z7/Z6 - stripping and banding limits the use of the great sensor's dynamic range :-(  With the sub-par AF tracking performance, it spoils the fun for me, too. 

https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikon-z...s-review/7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUii9dTwPkw  (from 5:30) 

The AF hands-on testing was done on a pre-production model, we will see if Nikon could improve opon that. 

Anyway, unless you desperately want current FF CaNikon mirorless, I would probably wait for the next generation to leave your pro DSLR setup behind. Or get Sony, the current CaNikon mirorless seems to be about a generation behind Sony in key aspects.

Dunno about Nikon, I own both Sony A6000 and 7Dmkii, when in Live view, 7Dmkii is excellent, dual pixel autofocus is a huge improvement over my ex 750D, in video tracking, it  is better than A6000. In low light 7Dmkii is easily better than Sony A6000
So I don't see how you consider Sony  a generation ahead, they might have a slight edge never tried their pro models, but difference if ever should be minimal at best.

PS: compared to 7Dmkii in SLR mode Sony A6000 is easily eaten for breakfast by 7D autofocus except for face detection

Hi Tonia,

I meant full frame mirorless cameras. A generation behind in key aspects I find in cameras, please see my post above to "jj so".

Still, it suprises me that A6000 is no competition for 7D mkII in the autofocus department. Thank you for an interesting input of a real user :-).

Good light,

Martin
  


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Nikon Z launched - by Klaus - 08-23-2018, 05:24 AM
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RE: Nikon Z launched - by JJ_SO - 08-23-2018, 07:28 AM
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RE: Nikon Z launched - by JJ_SO - 08-24-2018, 05:54 AM
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RE: Nikon Z launched - by JJ_SO - 08-25-2018, 02:00 PM
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