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Nikon Neglect?
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(11-18-2019, 10:35 AM)JJ_SO Wrote:
(11-18-2019, 09:01 AM)davidmanze Wrote:   Firstly regarding the Nikon 1, personally, I don't regard it as failed camera, rather outmoded, but Nikon has bigger and more important fish to fry than compact style cameras in these times, sensibly they put their resources to better use.

  Sounds so good a lens mount alliance doesn't it? .... but it depends on who's in the alliance.....really there are Sigma and Panasonic/ Leica... and all three are producing lenses  ..... if Sigma dominates say Panasonics lens sales??

 Leica have created the camera using Panasonic's licensed technology and relies almost completely on it, which means Leica is counting on Panasonic's success selling it's own version.
   What will happen if the SR1 just flops, (it's sales are derisory) will Panasonic continue further extremely expensive development just for the sake of Leica?..... ....losing the L mount wouldn't  harm Sigma noticeably!
   
   No all in all JoJu, I'm not seeing this magical L mount having much success on these niche bodies..... and Sigma's contribution only serves to possibly ravage the sales of their own allies. (as they own camera sales will be minimal)

   Nikon relies on Nikon  (this also applies to Canon)  it makes it's own designed cameras and makes it's own designed lenses ......... 
   Nikon's trump card is their new glass effectively renders obsolete the F mount glass it replaces ..... there's that much of a step up in IQ.
  Do you stay with the DSLR and satisfy yourself with the cheaper existing F mount knowing you have chosen second best?. ........Or do you go Z mount ?... Nikon can count on new sales at least!      IMHO there will be little updated F mount glass, but there's still plenty on the shelves for those who are not looking for change.
 (I know the 58mm F0.95 is an exotic optic but Nikon has already refused further pre-orders)..... so it's not a loser.
    
At this point in time I see very few clients for this L mount  ..... mainly because there are very few clients for the bodies ..... but what clients there are, are now divided by three !!

P.S. As Klaus posted Panasonic took the wrong road with their AF mixed system of "CDAF AI and blur" technology ....

If there were few clients for L-mount then why you think Leica came out with an updated SL 2?

I never said the 58/0.95 is a loser
, but it ties up development and manufacturing capacity for an exotic lens for very rich photographers. And this at a time when Nikon's homework for a halfway complete lens portfolio is far from done. That's why I think it's a stupid product.

"Nikon does rely on Nikon"? So, now they are doing their own sensors?  Rolleyes 

They are already far behind Sony. In sensors, in lenses, in features, in AF-functions, and they are too slow to catch up. Plus, if I'd go the Sony path or the L-mount path, all my Sigma glass can be converted to E- or L-mount - but not to Z-mount.

I took the Series 1 as example because I recall it as an excellent study for Nikon's chaotic and mindless marketing strategy: Whenever a new V body came out, it had two or three interesting new functions and two or three of the former model's interesting functions were crippled or gone, plus the whole system was incredibly expensive for it's sensor size. Today the two lenses I have for them feel rough, the zoom ring is so far away from smooth... therefore "expensive and of doubtful quality". The whole system felt as cheap as it was to produce. No wonder it never took off. And when you look at Nikon's Z webiste on Nikon.com, the same young guys sit around the table who already struggled with Series 1. Hope they learnt their lessons before Nikon has to give up their image business.

The lenses of the Z-mount are no reason to go Nikon (or change to it) if one wants to jump into FF mirrorless. Not because they are bad - because they are incomplete and others offer the same quality. It took them two years to release a 70-200 because they were busy with the 58 mm behemoth.

As far as I know you don't own a Z camera, dave, so you're mostly talking in theory and what you think about what you read or watched on YT. That's alright as most people do so, but please don't feel offended when I put my real world experiences with Z against your theory.
Don't get me wrong, I take these bodies more often than the D850 and I don't see a real reason that will change back in the future - but there's so much little details to miss.

We'll see about the L-mount. The audience for it is wider than you think, I believe.


   I never even knew the Nikon 1 system, but it was the beginning and they had a way to go ........ just like Sony made poor/crappy cameras at the start ......
   Surely you can give Nikon a bit of a break JoJu ..... the Zs have only been out 16 months ...... they've an adapter for F mount so as not to brick your old glass ..... and the lenses are arriving at a reasonable pace, faster and better than I expected.
   Also I'm not so sure that everything has to be F1.4 these days, the new Z glass is excellent at F1.8 ..... for 90% of folk that will do nicely.

 I would like to know what Z glass you are using and how good you find it?

  The D500 and D850 are probably the best two APSc/ FF DSLRs ever made and were the dream of many a photog ....... yet after such a short time many are relegated to the wardrobe ..... and like yourself folk are using the Z ..... so it can't all be bad !!

   To be honest I'm more impressed by the Z glass than the Z cameras !!
Dave's clichés
  


Messages In This Thread
Nikon Neglect? - by Nikkor Noct - 11-15-2019, 02:46 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-15-2019, 06:08 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-15-2019, 07:51 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by mst - 11-15-2019, 08:02 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-15-2019, 08:46 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Klaus - 11-15-2019, 09:26 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-15-2019, 10:15 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by thxbb12 - 11-15-2019, 11:35 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-15-2019, 11:59 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-15-2019, 11:58 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-15-2019, 01:30 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by thxbb12 - 11-15-2019, 12:23 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-15-2019, 12:30 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by thxbb12 - 11-15-2019, 01:40 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-15-2019, 02:03 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by thxbb12 - 11-15-2019, 02:16 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-15-2019, 03:40 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-15-2019, 03:44 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by mst - 11-15-2019, 05:50 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-16-2019, 10:07 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by toni-a - 11-15-2019, 06:52 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Klaus - 11-15-2019, 10:08 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by mst - 11-15-2019, 10:17 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-16-2019, 07:26 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-17-2019, 06:49 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Klaus - 11-17-2019, 09:31 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-17-2019, 09:31 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 09:01 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 10:35 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 11:23 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 12:51 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by mst - 11-18-2019, 02:10 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-17-2019, 10:46 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-17-2019, 11:12 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-17-2019, 11:34 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-17-2019, 11:37 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-17-2019, 11:54 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-17-2019, 01:23 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-18-2019, 09:18 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 09:42 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-18-2019, 11:59 AM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 01:17 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 02:34 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 06:14 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 01:43 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-18-2019, 02:07 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-18-2019, 05:53 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 08:48 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 09:12 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by JJ_SO - 11-18-2019, 09:31 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by davidmanze - 11-18-2019, 10:00 PM
RE: Nikon Neglect? - by Brightcolours - 11-19-2019, 08:29 AM

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