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The future of lens testing? - Brightcolours - 01-28-2014 Quote:I already wrote "(or angle of view, more precisely)".No, it will be 12mm. Like I said, uncorrected lenses or under corrected lenses give a wider view for the same focal length. So what you end up with a similar view as any other well corrected 12mm lens, after correction of the barrel distortion. Quote:The native distortion at 12mm is very large, about 8% according to the test. On the other hand, it seems that the labeled FL at the two ends of a zoom lens is often not quite accurate.Same story. The 16-35mm you have is not well corrected at 16mm, and gives a wider view than a better corrected lens at 16mm. When you correct the barrel distortion, you end up with a similar width as with the well corrected lens. The future of lens testing? - davidmanze - 01-28-2014 I think it's just a way of improving certain parameters of lenses at the expense of others, other manufacturers are improving parameters without resorting to heavy distortions, Personally, I prefer the latter! The future of lens testing? - Guest - 01-28-2014 Quote:No, it will be 12mm. Like I said, uncorrected lenses or under corrected lenses give a wider view for the same focal length. So what you end up with a similar view as any other well corrected 12mm lens, after correction of the barrel distortion. Yes, we know that 12mm is 12mm in theory. However, we know the companies fudge (i.e. a 300mm lens may be 280 mm). So, did they design the lens as an 12mm lens, with the uncorrected view like an 10 or 11mm field of view, and after processing you get 12mm? Or did they fudge, and the unprocessed is 12mm, while processed is only 14mm? If one calculates back, one could determine the actual field of view, but did anybody do that? As a matter of fact, what about normal dSLR lenses, say a normal 18-55 kit lens that has barrel distortion that doesn't get automatically corrected. Is the field of view at 18mm the uncorrected or corrected one? Presumably the uncorrected one. The future of lens testing? - frank - 01-28-2014 Quote:Yes, we know that 12mm is 12mm in theory. However, we know the companies fudge (i.e. a 300mm lens may be 280 mm). So, did they design the lens as an 12mm lens, with the uncorrected view like an 10 or 11mm field of view, and after processing you get 12mm? Or did they fudge, and the unprocessed is 12mm, while processed is only 14mm? Yes, that is what I think too. I don't believe I get a 15mm view at the 16mm of the 16-35mm lens without distortion correction in post processing. Otherwise I will be very happy with the high distortion. The future of lens testing? - Guest - 01-28-2014 Quote:Yes, that is what I think too. I don't believe I get a 15mm view at the 16mm of the 16-35mm lens without distortion correction in post processing. Otherwise I will be very happy with the high distortion. popphoto determines focal length (somehow). For the Canon 18-55 IS kit, it gives the focal length as 18.61mm tested. That at 0.55% barrel (at Dxomark it's about 0.9% max, at slrgear it's 0.9% max, and about 0.55 % average, ok, seems it's all consistent based on Dxomark). This is very different from photozone barrel at 3.2% though?? The grid does sort of look similar though. Just some different way of measuring then? Anyway, seems there are nice curves at Dxomark that show the distortion as focal length across the radial field So, the 18mm goes from 18mm in the center to 17.2 at the edge. for the 16-35 mark I, you get 16.6 mm in the center, and 15.7 towards the edge. http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Canon/Canon-EF-16-35mm-F28L-USM check under measurement, distortion, profile. Hmm, it does look like m43 takes into account correction. this is for the Panasonic vario 14-42 lens http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Panasonic/Panasonic-LUMIX-G-VARIO-14-42mm-F35-56-II-ASPH-MEGA-OIS/%28camera%29/842#tabs-2 Center is 13.8mm, edge is 12.3mm And the Olympus Ed 14-42, is 13.1 to 12.1mm. http://www.dxomark.com/Lenses/Olympus/Olympus-MZUIKO-DIGITAL-ED-14-42mm-F35-56/%28camera%29/842 So, seems no cheating ;-) The future of lens testing? - Klaus - 01-28-2014 Quote:I think what matters is the final output regardless of the correction that happens before the RAW file is written on the SD card. As others noted the distortion correction is accompanied by cropping which basically means that the "borders" are shifted towards the center. Thus there are two opposing forces at work here - the negative one from the interpolation and the positive one from the shift towards the higher quality inner image zone. Whether this works out Okay is a matter of design. However, a fully corrected lens designed with the same efforts will always be better (albeit also bigger - which is the reason for underdesigning lenses - besides cost cutting). |