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A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - Brightcolours - 04-23-2015
Quote:Bad? I can imagine the Sony A7* users will be all over them.I think they might go Batshit crazy over the Batis (just not the price of the 85mm f1.8).
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - stoppingdown - 04-23-2015
Quote:Because they needed something to placate those who would bemoan the lack of a distance scale on a lens?
Well, I think that those just need the info, not necessarily on the barrel. I used to appreciate that info until some pointed me that it's usually meaningless in most lenses since it's not accurate. So, I'd really appreciate if the info was there and was accurate. Having an EVF, I'd like to have in the EVF. E.g. when I'm shooting a flower, it would be quite uncomfortable to look at the barrel when compared to the EVF (now, probably the 85mm probably has not been designed for shooting at flowers, but you get the point).
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - Rover - 04-23-2015
Well... yes but I'm not familiar with the A7 family. Don't they display a virtual scale on the LCD?
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - JJ_SO - 04-23-2015
Guys, look a bit closer. As with more or less most modern lenses there's a small window in the barrel:
![[Image: pi-0056-2015-batis-1-8-85.jpg]](http://www.zeiss.de/content/dam/media/img/2015/en/pi-0056-2015-batis-1-8-85.jpg)
To me it looks like a LCD of it's own, but maybe its' just an ordinary printed scale
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - Scythels - 04-23-2015
JoJu,
"Precision GMo" aka moulded aspheres are certainly possible, but they staunchly limit the number of glasses which can be chosen to about 6 or so, out of ~100 different options otherwise. They are also insuitlble for large departures from the base curvature. Perhaps in the middle there are some meniscus lenses which are easily bent and are made out of Gmo aspheres, but a double-sided asphere which is made via a more normal grind and polish technique is expensive because it is easy to ruin one surface in the process of making the other.
QED MRF machines (https://www.qedmrf.com/polishing-fix/mrf-technology) have the best surface finishing available today but OptiPro's CNC polishers <a>(http://www.optipro.com/pdf/OptiPro_Finishing_Web.pdf)</a>; aren't too far behind ( a factor of 3 or so, but the difference is just a couple of nm rms) and are capable of bigger departures (MRF is too, but it would take literally days).
An MRF machine is about $2m USD for a small one e.g the Q22-XE I work with and 1L of the fluid used in polishing ranges from about $3000 to $50000 depending on the grade of slurry you use. A liter will last a month or so in the machine before it "dies" and must be disposed of. Other than the slurry the machine just requires DI water, careful operators, and pressurized air/electricity to run so running costs aren't too too high. The OptiPro machines use more standard cerium oxide solutions as opposed to an MR fluid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_fluid) so their slurries are cheaper - I forget the price at the moment but it is fairly small. They have vastly higher waste production though, since the fluid isn't recycled as effectively where an MRF machine only loses an ounce or less of fluid every time it is shut down or started up.
Gmo aspheres are also possible, but the engineers like Zeiss really do not like to place many material restrictions on themselves, so I doubt it.
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Brightcolors,
Zeiss doesn't have inflated prices. They have inflated engineering, sort of like BMW. This raises the price, and once the lens moves from "must cost $500" to "must cost $800" they move it up closer to $1200 to price it into a better market for their image.
The elements for the 11-24, aspheres aside, are less than $200 finished product for a normal photographic surface quality. If you move into precision, research, or high energy laser grade surface quality the cost moves up exponentially. The primary and field mirror in a Schmidt telescope I am building were each about $1500 for a 6" diameter flat and spherical mirror respectively because of the fine surface finish.
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - Brightcolours - 04-23-2015
It clearly is not a printed scale.
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - Brightcolours - 04-23-2015
Aitydiscus, back then you said the elements in the 11-24mm f4 would cost $200. Not excluding the aspheres. Glad we are on the same page now
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A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - dave9t5 - 04-23-2015
Quote:Guys, look a bit closer. As with more or less most modern lenses there's a small window in the barrel:
To me it looks like a LCD of it's own, but maybe its' just an ordinary printed scale
That is the "OLED Display" that has been mentioned. I believe that it shows the focus distance in the large central number and the DOF range in the smaller numbers.
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - youpii - 04-30-2015
The MTF curves of the 25/2 are hard to believe
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2015/20150429_0952-ZeissBatis-25f2-MTF.html
Good but less surprising for the 85/1.8
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2015/20150429_1044-ZeissBatis-85f1_8-MTF.html
A "WTF" kind of news from Zeiss: the new Batis! - borisbg - 04-30-2015
Quote:The MTF curves of the 25/2 are hard to believeIf MTF is real this lesn is worth the premium pricing... Vignetting is quite high however, similar to DSLR UW.
http://diglloyd.com/blog/2015/20150429_0952-ZeissBatis-25f2-MTF.html