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RE: Nikon Neglect? - davidmanze - 11-18-2019 (11-18-2019, 11:59 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: For 90% of the folk, cellphones do nicely, Dave. 90% of ILCs if you like. The F1.4 and F1.2 lenses are on their way .... with the Z 85mm F1.8 costing around $900 I think Nikon did right to bring that to market first. (11-18-2019, 12:51 PM)JJ_SO Wrote: And you also don't know the Z system by actually using it, right? No apart from just looking through the Z6 I've never used one. However, I'm aware of the tripod screw on the adapter, pinky room on the grip and general haptic annoyances, one being remedied by the Meike all metal grip spacer. Nikon's lens feet are in their own league ....... Are these blobs the purple kind that used to turn up on early film lenses when mounted on DSLR bodies ?? The lenses are devoid of what was compulsory in the good old days, distance scales, IR marks, DOF scales etc. .... a little sad. Other than that though, the Zs are 100% ........ RE: Nikon Neglect? - JJ_SO - 11-18-2019 No f/1.4, Dave, only three f/1.2 (35, 50, 85 - so nothing new, one could say...). And all of them will be North of 2k$, I guess. Also, an f/1.8G before was 57% of the Z-version. Or the Z version costs one 174% of the G version. You decide if the new Z is 74 % better than the old one. I know it is not better than the Sigma Art. But of course, the Z version really is improved and a lot lighter to carry around. RE: Nikon Neglect? - Brightcolours - 11-18-2019 In my view, the Z 85mm f1.8 renders quite a bit nicer (except at MFD, as JoJu has aptly demonstrated). The elevated price compared to the 85mm f1.8 also should be viewed in context of introduction date, 2012? And of course, compared to the AF-S 58mm f1.4mm it is a steal ;-) On the other hand, the FE 85mm f1.8 from Sony is lighter, costs less (3 elements less). But seems to render quite a bit worse on normal 85mm focus distances. You can look at whether the Z 85mm f1.8 is priced fairly from so many angles, it can make your head spin. RE: Nikon Neglect? - mst - 11-18-2019 (11-18-2019, 12:51 PM)JJ_SO Wrote: In short: If someone with a good set of Nikon DSLRs and nice lenses would ask me if it's good moment to buy into the Z-system, I would hesitate a "yes". Out of honest curiosity (and without the background of having read every thread around the topic here in the last months): why did you? What did you hope to find in a completely new system that a long established and matured system did not offer you? RE: Nikon Neglect? - JJ_SO - 11-18-2019 (11-18-2019, 11:59 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: ... I can prepare a small gallery with the distortions and the colour blobs lthough I think I already posted them? Ok, colour blobs I just found here: https://sojujo.smugmug.com/Testshots/Z7-and-front-light/n-nHST7z The differences between the 85s you can find here: https://sojujo.smugmug.com/Testshots/2-different-85-mm-on-Z-7/n-sBzfZt So, I just need to throw some corrected and uncorrected 14-30 samples in. RE: Nikon Neglect? - Brightcolours - 11-18-2019 Thanks for the blobs image, now I see what you mean. Pretty odd to behold! Have these blobs been noticed/discussed by others? (by others I mean somewhere else in the internet) RE: Nikon Neglect? - davidmanze - 11-18-2019 (11-18-2019, 02:34 PM)JJ_SO Wrote:(11-18-2019, 11:59 AM)Brightcolours Wrote: ... Quite a testing situation with the sun bursting through the tree.... producing some weird effects! Bokeh looks good on both lenses with the Sigma slightly nicer ..... maybe? RE: Nikon Neglect? - JJ_SO - 11-18-2019 Dave, honestly, on some shots I can't tell which lens I used. I am under the impression that the bokeh of the Sigma was a tad more smooth, more creamy, but there's a situation I used the Nikkor 85 S with object in certain distance (maybe 2-3 meters away) and behind there was a background with leaves and stuff in 6-8 meters (I don't measure, it's just guessing). With f/2 I was expecting the background to gently flow together - but everything stayed noticeably and a bit disturbing. On some front light shots it's a bit weird if I need highlight recovery. Like this one here: I already suspected I took a double exposure because of the transition zones - but I don't think I did. I find it interesting as picture, but not my ideal of a smooth bokeh. What do you think? RE: Nikon Neglect? - davidmanze - 11-18-2019 (11-18-2019, 08:48 PM)JJ_SO Wrote: Dave, honestly, on some shots I can't tell which lens I used. I am under the impression that the bokeh of the Sigma was a tad more smooth, more creamy, but there's a situation I used the Nikkor 85 S with object in certain distance (maybe 2-3 meters away) and behind there was a background with leaves and stuff in 6-8 meters (I don't measure, it's just guessing). With f/2 I was expecting the background to gently flow together - but everything stayed noticeably and a bit disturbing. I sat and looked for many minutes ... the rendering remained smooth and soft which often doesn't when you look for a while .... very nice shot, I'm impressed !! ..... Of what I've seen of this lens and I've seen many images hitting the forums, this is the lens I would like ..... but I want it on a DSLR ..... so I can't have it !! It's what I said Nikon are nailing it with these Z lenses ..... you can get the Z 50mm F1.8 for €330 euros ..... it's steal .... RE: Nikon Neglect? - JJ_SO - 11-18-2019 I know one pro who sold his 50 mm S lens because he was very unhappy with the bokeh. And I'm not using my 50 mm Art enough to double it. The softness you're talking about I also like, but less so the sharp contours within the transition zone. I like the picture because it is weird, but I would not like it as a portrait. Now, here is a gallery with samples of the 14-30: https://sojujo.smugmug.com/Testshots/Nikkor-14-304-S/n-HxmSQJ First the corrected and uncorrected interior shots, then a comparison with Sigma Art 14-24. |