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so the new Nikon 1 system is here
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[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1316605240' post='11703']

OK, tell me exactly what you are so enthusiastic about compared to m4/3 and NEX competition.

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No, no, I'm not enthusiastic. It's just that I expected a pimped up Coolpix ... and judging from all Coolpix cameras I know, even the recent high-end ones, that would have meant a lower grade system than was announced today.



[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1316605240' post='11703']

Or in other words, what are the specific reasons for you to pick V1/J1 over GH1, NEX5 or Pen3..?

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Over NEX5 and Pen-3: the viewfinder. Over GH-1 (or GH-2): size and price. And supossedly better AF, especially when tracking.



[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1316605240' post='11703']

This aspec ratio thing is irrelevant...[/quote]



Not to me ... my mFT and compact cameras were/are locked in 3:2 mode.



[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1316605240' post='11703']

however, I can see no real justification for V1/J1 existence beside much more competitively equipped and priced Sony/Pana/Oly systems. Really :-)[/quote]



The system is new and we should wait for a few more lenses to arrive to judge its competitiveness. And of course actual image results. Nikon has already published a few full size images, which honestly didn't impress me. However, just like with the Sony NEX7, I hope that RAW converters deliver a lot more than that.



In addition, even if the specs and final results are good, Nikon can still ruin the game by poor performance or ergonomics. The P7000 is a perfect example for this.



From a user's/buyer's perspective it's of course just another new system and yes, Nikon will have a hard time to convince potential buyers. The systems does have advantages, though. Just like it has drawbacks. Like any other system, too <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' />



From Nikon's point of view, they couldn't risk to leave that market segment completely to others. They simply had no choice but to offer something.



[quote name='Martin_MM' timestamp='1316605240' post='11703']

Fast lenses....yes. But only to gain light. What DOF control do you expect with 2,7 crop? Maybe just in connection with fast telephoto lens (50mm/f1.8 would behave like 135/f5 lens on FF, lol!)

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I have used mFT for a while and the level of DOF control I got with the 20/1.7 and Pana/Leica 25/1.4 was sufficient for me (keeping in mind that it wasn't my primary system ... and I guess this will also be the case for many Nikon1 buyers, too). The step from factor 2 to 2.7 is not really that huge. Sure, it will need even faster lenses to reach the same level of DOF control as mFT, but that's not impossible. And then there are still more factors that influence DOF and subject separation than just the lens. If possible, you could also increase the subject to background distance. Or decrease camera to subject distance.



The potential for DOF control is definitely still a lot higher than with Pentax Q.



I'm not saying the Nikon1 is a flawless system. It certainly isn't. I already said that like many others I would have preferred a lager sensor for example. But let's be honest: for the majority of the images we shoot every day, a Nikon1 would be sufficient, wouldn't it?



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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-21-2011, 05:49 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-21-2011, 06:21 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-21-2011, 06:39 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 06:49 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by anyscreenamewilldo - 09-21-2011, 07:39 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 07:43 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 07:55 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by anyscreenamewilldo - 09-21-2011, 08:06 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 08:07 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 08:16 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 08:47 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Yakim - 09-21-2011, 09:21 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 09:24 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-21-2011, 09:54 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 10:23 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 10:25 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by PuxaVida - 09-21-2011, 10:46 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-21-2011, 10:47 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Yakim - 09-21-2011, 10:58 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by PuxaVida - 09-21-2011, 11:03 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by froeschle - 09-21-2011, 11:09 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 11:17 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Yakim - 09-21-2011, 11:27 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-21-2011, 11:40 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 11:54 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-21-2011, 12:20 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-21-2011, 12:24 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 12:48 PM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 02:55 PM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-21-2011, 06:35 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-21-2011, 07:15 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-21-2011, 08:33 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Yakim - 09-21-2011, 08:39 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 08:50 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-21-2011, 08:56 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-21-2011, 09:00 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 09:06 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by miro - 09-21-2011, 09:08 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-21-2011, 09:09 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-21-2011, 09:22 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by boren - 09-21-2011, 09:39 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Sylvain - 09-22-2011, 02:22 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-22-2011, 04:55 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by PuxaVida - 09-22-2011, 06:09 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-22-2011, 06:18 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by PuxaVida - 09-22-2011, 06:19 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by boren - 09-22-2011, 06:24 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-22-2011, 07:04 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-22-2011, 07:08 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-22-2011, 07:47 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by miro - 09-22-2011, 10:03 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-22-2011, 11:20 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-22-2011, 12:10 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-22-2011, 01:11 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-22-2011, 01:48 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Yakim - 09-22-2011, 04:59 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-22-2011, 06:46 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by miro - 09-22-2011, 08:18 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by miro - 09-22-2011, 08:24 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Steinar1 - 09-23-2011, 06:08 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-23-2011, 07:06 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-23-2011, 08:00 AM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by mst - 09-23-2011, 08:25 AM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by exuvia - 09-23-2011, 05:10 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by popo - 09-23-2011, 05:32 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-23-2011, 06:19 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-23-2011, 06:43 PM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Bare - 09-23-2011, 09:10 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Rainer - 09-24-2011, 09:01 AM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Guest - 09-24-2011, 11:29 AM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by wim - 09-24-2011, 11:35 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by PuxaVida - 09-25-2011, 09:29 AM
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so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Martin_MM - 09-26-2011, 12:47 PM
so the new Nikon 1 system is here - by Klaus - 09-26-2011, 01:19 PM
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