06-25-2011, 11:18 AM
[quote name='popo' timestamp='1309000080' post='9515']
I think a lot of people are looking at EVILs with a SLR-like perspective, and I do not think that is appropriate in all cases. The existing systems like NEX and m4/3 give us a relatively big sensor, and with that comes relatively big lenses in most cases. Yes, there is a bit of reduction possible due to the shorter mount distance, but if you want a long zoom, it'll be comparable to a SLR lens. The possible size advantage of EVIL then gets strongly diminished unless you limit yourself to only smaller lenses like I have with the E-P1 and 20mm f/1.7 pancake. Basically I'm saying if the lenses are as big as a SLR, I'd rather have the SLR.
The only way you can really reduce the size of lenses significantly is by using a smaller sensor. The rumoured Nikon Pro Coolpix or whatever it will be called sounds like it might be in a sweet spot to me. Smaller sensor = smaller lenses, but without the sensor being so small you might as well get a regular compact like in the case of the Q. Yes, you will sacrifice shallow DoF ability, but I think from a compact user's perspective it would be sufficient "as is" or with a touch of software faking. Of course in Nikon's case, they already have an extensive SLR lineup if you want something more serious. Their EVIL will be aiming below that but above compacts. Sony and Olympus really don't care about eating into their low end sLR sales since they're relatively minor players.
Also there is a general trend where smaller image circle lenses seem to be more easy to make faster lenses for, which can partially offset some of the sensor contribution to DoF.
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I agree with you on all that, except the faster lenses part... The "fast" lenses on MFT are still really not that fast at all. 50mm f1.8 at most (FF equivalent), and that is the exception...
I do get it doesn't make sense to put a BIG sensor in a SMALL body because you will keep having big lenses... But I do not get the desirability of small sensors!
If I wanted a small sensor, I should just get a compact digital. And I chose a DSLR for what you can do, image wise... Making a compact digital have different lenses, does not expand what you can do with it image wise.
So, yes, for the moment I do fail to see the desirability of compact with small sensor.
I think a lot of people are looking at EVILs with a SLR-like perspective, and I do not think that is appropriate in all cases. The existing systems like NEX and m4/3 give us a relatively big sensor, and with that comes relatively big lenses in most cases. Yes, there is a bit of reduction possible due to the shorter mount distance, but if you want a long zoom, it'll be comparable to a SLR lens. The possible size advantage of EVIL then gets strongly diminished unless you limit yourself to only smaller lenses like I have with the E-P1 and 20mm f/1.7 pancake. Basically I'm saying if the lenses are as big as a SLR, I'd rather have the SLR.
The only way you can really reduce the size of lenses significantly is by using a smaller sensor. The rumoured Nikon Pro Coolpix or whatever it will be called sounds like it might be in a sweet spot to me. Smaller sensor = smaller lenses, but without the sensor being so small you might as well get a regular compact like in the case of the Q. Yes, you will sacrifice shallow DoF ability, but I think from a compact user's perspective it would be sufficient "as is" or with a touch of software faking. Of course in Nikon's case, they already have an extensive SLR lineup if you want something more serious. Their EVIL will be aiming below that but above compacts. Sony and Olympus really don't care about eating into their low end sLR sales since they're relatively minor players.
Also there is a general trend where smaller image circle lenses seem to be more easy to make faster lenses for, which can partially offset some of the sensor contribution to DoF.
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I agree with you on all that, except the faster lenses part... The "fast" lenses on MFT are still really not that fast at all. 50mm f1.8 at most (FF equivalent), and that is the exception...
I do get it doesn't make sense to put a BIG sensor in a SMALL body because you will keep having big lenses... But I do not get the desirability of small sensors!
If I wanted a small sensor, I should just get a compact digital. And I chose a DSLR for what you can do, image wise... Making a compact digital have different lenses, does not expand what you can do with it image wise.
So, yes, for the moment I do fail to see the desirability of compact with small sensor.