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Top 10 Nikon lenses
#1
Hi Everyone!



I'm new to this forum and wish to request that the Photozone guys put together their own "Top 10" or "Must Have" list for Nikon lenses. The reason for the request is because during the process of deciding on new lenses to purchase one browses through what feels like 100's of reviews - compared to most other reputable review sites Photozone seems to give the WORST reviews!



Ha ha it seems as if NOTHING is good to them, every lens they review generally gets a rather poor score compared to everyone else on the net.



So I thought that if Photozone gives a good review it must be a bloody excellent lens!



I think that a "Top 10" or "Must have" list consisting of categories like portrait,general zoom etc. compiled by Photozone could really help new buyers steer clear of poor lenses and not waste their money.





Thanks for taking the time to read this!



Kind Regards



Derron
#2
[quote name='Derron' timestamp='1305754324' post='8549']

Ha ha it seems as if NOTHING is good to them, every lens they review generally gets a rather poor score compared to everyone else on the net.



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Oh well, that is easy explained. The editorial team is German. The German attitude to say if something is "gut", which is the German word for good, it really means it is good and does the job well. In modern American and British culture if you call something "good", it has severe short comings. You can't call something "bad", can you? Something your really like, you call "excellent" or "outstanding". (I am German, lived in the US and Britain for several years and had to escape Britain before the Toffs came into power).



The way I see it:

On photozone 4 out of 5 marks a product which works really well, while in a US/British review something with 4 out of 5 has shortcomings. In the later case it is as if you have 1 pass and 4 fail marks.
enjoy
#3
Here's a screenshot of an excel file I started a while back... the PZ reviews (and a few others) are hyperlinked to the reviews, lens dimensions and review scores and extracts, plus summaries are all included... I've been selective, mostly going for 'good' rated lenses... I'll mail you a copy if you want

Ian
#4
At least i want see this stuff what you show IanCD. and is funny thing really some tests give good results some lenses but other test give poorer results.
#5
We point towards insufficiencies. That is the essence of testing, isn't it ? If everything was great it wouldn't make sense to test in the first place.



In school a rating starts with an F ( a 1 locally) and I reckon that the majority of the students don't get an A (15 locally) either. If not it is an indication for a crappy school system for sure.
#6
[quote name='IanCD' timestamp='1305756737' post='8558']

Here's a screenshot of an excel file I started a while back... the PZ reviews (and a few others) are hyperlinked to the reviews, lens dimensions and review scores and extracts, plus summaries are all included... I've been selective, mostly going for 'good' rated lenses... I'll mail you a copy if you want

Ian

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We are working on such a feature.
#7
[quote name='joachim' timestamp='1305756127' post='8555']

Oh well, that is easy explained. The editorial team is German. The German attitude to say if something is "gut", which is the German word for good, it really means it is good and does the job well. In modern American and British culture if you call something "good", it has severe short comings. You can't call something "bad", can you? Something your really like, you call "excellent" or "outstanding". (I am German, lived in the US and Britain for several years and had to escape Britain before the Toffs came into power).



The 'Toffs' replaced the Bankruptcy party. Just for the record.





The way I see it:

On photozone 4 out of 5 marks a product which works really well, while in a US/British review something with 4 out of 5 has shortcomings. In the later case it is as if you have 1 pass and 4 fail marks.

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#8
[quote name='joachim' timestamp='1305756127' post='8555']





The way I see it:

On photozone 4 out of 5 marks a product which works really well, while in a US/British review something with 4 out of 5 has shortcomings. In the later case it is as if you have 1 pass and 4 fail marks.

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The way I see it:



If a German, or a Martian, or a Klingon rewards a product with 4 out of 5 marks, then that lens also has shortcomings in the opinion of the reviewer. If it had no shortcomings...if it were perfect....it would be awarded 5 stars.



As an American now living in Germany, I would not say that German reviewers are tougher in their reviews than American reviewers. This would be a prejudiced statement. It would also be an unfair and broad generalization. Each reviewer is an individual with individual opinions. Sometimes these opinions have commonalities, sometimes they conflict with one another. All German reviewers are not the same, and all American reviewers are not the same. Each has a different opinion and a different reason for giving the rating that they give. Plus, is there a standardized process for rating lenses? No. If there was, there would only be a need for one reviewer.
#9
[quote name='Klaus' timestamp='1305794455' post='8599']

We are working on such a feature.

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Hi Klaus,

Hope I'm not "treading on your toes" by offering that... it was something I've found useful, so it's great to know you're developing a feature like it here...



Regarding the 'lens rating' system, it might be helpful to point folk in the direction of the 'PZ rating system', [url="http://www.opticallimits.com/Reviews/product-ratings"]HERE[/url] (it's not that obvious to find on the site):



"Lens Reviews - Generic

Some of you folks may be a bit surprised by the "rather low" ratings in the verdicts here at photozone.de. This isn't really intentional but you're simply experiencing a cultural effect. Photozone.de is located in Germany and locally the word "average" means just that - reads: "average" is in between of better and worse. So this is strictly different compared to the more popular anglo-american-style meaning of the word where an "average" is equivalent to about as bad as it gets. Now you may argue that this is confusing but remember that this may be confusing for you but less so for visitors from different countries (thus different cultural backgrounds). We at photozone.de do firmly believe that "feel good" ratings are pointless - it neither helps you to choose nor does it help the manufacturers to get better."
#10
[quote name='IanCD' timestamp='1305834629' post='8632']

Regarding the 'lens rating' system, I'm surprised you haven't pointed folk in the direction of the 'PZ rating system', [url="http://www.opticallimits.com/Reviews/product-ratings"]HERE[/url] (it's not that obvious to find on the site):

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Actually, that page is linked to below every lens rating ... the "What does this mean" link <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Wink' /> Maybe we should rename it ...



-- Markus
Editor
opticallimits.com

  


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