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SEL1670Z kaputt
#31
(06-17-2023, 09:20 AM)stoppingdown Wrote: So it looks like it will be a long story. There are huge improvements at 70mm, good improvements at 50mm, 35mm is so-so; 24mm is basically unchanged.
In the next days I'll be out for a trip, then I'll resend the lens back to the lab.
I see above suggestions to ask for a new lens... But the lens was out of warranty, so I think the only point I can stress is to ask for it to be really fixed (the repair is under warranty of course) — or eventually a refund.

 Hmm ...... you said that 35mm was so so and that 24mm was unchanged ..... does that mean not so good? .... maybe they have spent time trying to find decent alignment by lens element shimming/tilting and have been unable to make corrections across the focal range ..... 
 They're at least having a go which I suppose is something ...... 

btw,  
  Actually I did say ask for "another lens", not a new one .... given that the lens was OK optically when you sent it in for the repair issue you had with it, puts the onus on Sony because the guarantee is on the repair not the lens! .... Of course a refund would be ideal given it's not a great lens anyway.
#32
End of story, the repair lab says that the performance at 24mm is “within the specifications”. So I'm now going to buy a replacement lens: either the Sigma 18-50 or the Tamron 17-70. I'm going to open a new thread in order to hear your opinions.

Here: https://forum.opticallimits.com/showthread.php?tid=5565
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Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
#33
"Within specifications" - a classic across all manufacturers ... (except Leica)
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#34
That lens is supposed to be piss poor at 70mm, not 24mm...
#35
Indeed it's a random thing, it depends on the copy. Mine was fine at 70mm and still ok after the lab “retouch”; clearly much better than the one reviewed by Klaus, even though he had to send back the first copies it received. I think it's one “hit” in the unreliable QA for optic products ever.
stoppingdown.net

 

Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
#36
Thing are getting more and more absurd. I've sent the lens to MPB.com, which evaluates it used at around 250€. I was expecting two outcomes: either they consider the lens good enough, and at least I get some money back from this story; or they evaluate the lens not good enough to be marketed, and at this point I'd forward the bad evaluation to the Sony lab, just to let them know that a lens "within the specs" is too bad to be sold.

Surprise: MPB.com says that the lens can't be sold because it has a fungus.

I'll investigate next Monday.
stoppingdown.net

 

Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
#37
I asked MPB to provide some evidence about the fungus, so I can complain with the Sony lab. They answered that indeed it's not a fungus, but dust, fibers, and light moisture. No evidence provided, though. I think it's quite clear they don't want to buy the lens, but why not just telling me it has optical problems?

I could write a book about this lens. :-) It seems to be doomed.
stoppingdown.net

 

Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
#38
Plot twist in the end: MPB re-checked the lens and decided it was ok. So I sold it indeed. And I think this is definitely the last step of my history of SEL1670Z.
stoppingdown.net

 

Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
#39
That's what you hope ;-)
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Doing all things Canon, MFT, Sony and Fuji
#40
LOL...
stoppingdown.net

 

Sony a6300, Sony a6000, Sony NEX-6, Sony E 10-18mm F4 OSS, Sony Zeiss Vario-Tessar T* E 16-70mm F4 ZA OSS, Sony FE 70-200mm F4 G OSS, Sigma 150-600mm Æ’/5-6.3 DG OS HSM Contemporary, Samyang 12mm Æ’/2, Sigma 30mm F2.8 DN | A, Meyer Gorlitz Trioplan 100mm Æ’/2.8, Samyang 8mm Æ’/3.5 fish-eye II | Zenit Helios 44-2 58mm Æ’/2 
Plus some legacy Nikkor lenses.
  


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