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Trump

 

Congrats for the dumbest argument on this discussion! :lol: Reductio ad Trumpum is the new Reductio at Hitlerum.

 

Buses vs cars.

 

Of course, the terminology thing is a nonsense argument. Cars are cars, buses are buses, trucks are trucks. In any case, I've clearly distinguished "general purpose cars". In the urban cycle performance requirements are more regular and limited (e.g. no high speed, no need for high autonomy, feasible recharge at fixed moments of the day, etc...) and this context can be more easily fit by electric cars.

 

So, if you say, Tesla didn't calculate this or that, I just ask, did Ford, Peugeot, Fiat, VW or BMW do better in the past?

 

They don't need to change so frequently a component so relevant and full of sensitive materials as the battery pack. In any case, I can also take your point, and conclude that nobody does a complete calculation on the true ecologic footprint, hence it's difficult to prove anything in this sector, both pro and against an electric car. Also because fake measurations such as the "dieselgate" suggest that we can't blindly trust anything we read.

 

In any case, we have some models, in the China case, somebody tried to do some math:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/article...ll-cleaner

 

Now, the good point is that if you have a polluting energy plant that distributes energy to car chargers, this is much better than having thousands of engines burning carbon fuel, because you can centralize and scale solutions for mitigating the pollution. I don't deny that. Still, you have coal to produce all that energy in some way, and doesn't solve the pollution problem (this paper is a year old, but the situation hasn't changed):

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...ily-clean/

 

If we drop the Tesla and think of hybrid, I am less pessimistic (the deal here is to reduce consumption by recovering energy e.g. during braking, etc...). Still, these cars are really expensive and they have to prove to be able to stay on the market. This field, in any case, is even more complex to predict: first because in the past decades we've seen - generally speaking - lost of wrong predictions about markets growing, usually too optimistic; and because this goes beyond the EV industry scope, I mean a new financial crisis (that could be still after the corner) could mean less money for a state budget for incentives, and less money in the family budgets for buying an expensive car.