07-20-2010, 09:20 PM
[quote name='jenbenn' date='20 July 2010 - 09:04 PM' timestamp='1279652692' post='1171']
Ok I am kind of desperate. I know I should know what to buy but its just not easy. HEre is the deal: I am a [color="#800080"]travel photographer [/color][color="#800080"]60% of my pics are in good light (iso 100-400) 35 % are in medium low light [/color]and [color="#0000ff"]5% are in very low light (Iso 1600)[/color]. I [color="#800080"]cannot take a tripod[/color] to the places I travel. This means that sometimes I have to photograph highly [color="#0000ff"]detailed landscapes in low light at high iso (800-1600)[/color], which leads to noise problems with my 50D. Therefore i want to upgrade since I dont get those pics accepted by my agency.
I also love[color="#0000ff"] shallow depth of field for portraits[/color]. I take [color="#0000ff"]many portraits[/color].
Sometimes I take[color="#0000ff"] [/color][color="#800080"]semi-macros which need more depth of field but stopping down is not an option due to low light[/color].
[color="#006400"]Sometimes good Servo AF [/color]comes in handy, but most of my shots are [color="#0000ff"]low paced or stationary subjects[/color].
I definately need [color="#800080"]good build[/color] and [color="#006400"]best weather sealing avaliable in a SMALL DSLR [/color](reads: 1D is not an option, no never, far to big and heavy.) I understand that the 7d is slightly better than the 5D here.
I submit to agencies and art galleries for [color="#800080"]prints up to 24x 36 inches [/color](alamy and seenby).
Some of my photos can be seen here: http://www.photography-in-style.
I have lenses to support both a 7d and a 5D mark II. Pre-existing lenses are not a deciding factor. I cant buy both cameras at this point of time. (lenses are [color="#0000ff"]20-35, 28/1.8, 50 1.8[/color], [color="#800080"]85 1.8, 70-200 L IS USM[/color], [color="#008000"]10-22[/color])
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Ok, I tried to highlight your main points.
[color="#800080"]In purple[/color]: both cameras equally good
[color="#008000"]In green[/color]: 7D better
[color="#0000ff"]In blue[/color]: 5D Mark II better
So now for more specifics:
[color="#800080"]travel photographer[color="#000000"] - you want quality and (relatively) light, so both 5D II and 7D will do you fine
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]60% of my pics are in good light (iso 100-400) 35 % are in medium low light[color="#000000"] - again, both cameras do fine here, maybe with slight advantage to the 5D II
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]5% are in very low light (Iso 1600)[color="#000000"] - 5D II fo rsure; I shoot without hesitation at 1600 and 3200 iso with this camera, and have them printed at 24"X 36", with a little PP
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]cannot take a tripod[color="#000000"] - high iso: 5D II, or as alternative, IS lenses
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]detailed landscapes in low light at high iso (800-1600)[color="#000000"] - 5D II without a doubt; I shoot macro at 1600, 3200 and 6400 iso, and retain a lot of detail up to and including 3200 iso; 6400 iso you need to go small Raws
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[/color][color="#0000ff"]shallow depth of field for portraits[/color] - [color="#0000ff"]many portraits [/color][color="#000000"]- 5D II as FF cameras have an advantage with regard to shallow DoF, of almost 1 2/3 stop
[/color]
[color="#800080"]semi-macros which need more depth of field but stopping down is not an option due to low light[color="#000000"] - 5D II has a high iso advantage, 7D has a DoF advantage in thsi regard; my personal take is that I prefer the high iso performance as to me a sharper image with better tonal rangeat limited DoF is better than one with more DoF but more noise, especially in the darker parts of the image
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[/color][color="#0000ff"][color="#006400"]Sometimes good Servo AF [/color][color="#000000"]- if thsi is important to you, you will need the 7D. I shot a water skiing event with the 5D II, and that was very hard, as the iA Servo couldn't always keep up on the 100-400L follwing the water skier. I've had much better luck with gliders, however.
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[color="#0000ff"][/color]low paced or stationary subjects[/color][color="#000000"] - the extra pop of the 5D II FF sensor gives it an advantage[/color]
[color="#800080"]good build[/color][color="#000000"] - moot point iMO. Both have a good build, with maybe a slight edge to the 7D, due to [color="#000000"]the[/color] next item
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[color="#006400"]best weather sealing avaliable in a SMALL DSLR[color="#000000"] - 7D, obviously. Depending on th econditions, if a simple solution like a plastic bag and a few elastic bands will do, the 5D II wil do just fine. I actually use an Optech weather sleeve, which is a slightly more elegant solution than a plastic sandwich bag and a few elastic bands, and it does quite nicely in fairly steady pouring rain that way
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[/color][color="#800080"]prints up to 24x 36 inches[color="#000000"] - that is photographer dependent, not camera dependent. Teh 5D II makes it slightly easier on the PP, but other than thatit is much of a muchness I would think. I have made 24"X 36"prints of images from a 350D, 400D, and 40D, and they look very good indeed. Do the 5D II ones look better? Yes, on very close inspection, and because the images from a FF body just somehow look that bit extra better.
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[/color][color="#0000ff"]20-35, 28/1.8, 50 1.8[color="#000000"] - The 5D II will likely give you the edge here, as its pxiel density is less demanding than that of the 7D
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]85 1.8, 70-200 L IS USM[color="#000000"] - equally good on either camera
[/color]
[/color][color="#008000"]10-22[/color] - only works on the 7D of course, not th e5D II. However, if goign for th e5D II, I'd suggest you replace the 20-35 and the 10-22 with the 17-40L. The 17-40L actually performs a little better on FF than the 10-22 on APS-C, and they are each others equivalent, more or less, on those systems. Less CA and PF, slightly better sharpness.
The main advantages of the 7D are the weather sealing, AF system, crop factor if you need that, and FPS.
The main advantages of the 5D II are the FF sensor, more creative DoF possibilities, high iso performance, better IQ.
So add up your points, give them a weighting as to what you find most important, and that should give you a result of which you may be happy for the years to come <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />.
HTH, kind regards, Wim
Ok I am kind of desperate. I know I should know what to buy but its just not easy. HEre is the deal: I am a [color="#800080"]travel photographer [/color][color="#800080"]60% of my pics are in good light (iso 100-400) 35 % are in medium low light [/color]and [color="#0000ff"]5% are in very low light (Iso 1600)[/color]. I [color="#800080"]cannot take a tripod[/color] to the places I travel. This means that sometimes I have to photograph highly [color="#0000ff"]detailed landscapes in low light at high iso (800-1600)[/color], which leads to noise problems with my 50D. Therefore i want to upgrade since I dont get those pics accepted by my agency.
I also love[color="#0000ff"] shallow depth of field for portraits[/color]. I take [color="#0000ff"]many portraits[/color].
Sometimes I take[color="#0000ff"] [/color][color="#800080"]semi-macros which need more depth of field but stopping down is not an option due to low light[/color].
[color="#006400"]Sometimes good Servo AF [/color]comes in handy, but most of my shots are [color="#0000ff"]low paced or stationary subjects[/color].
I definately need [color="#800080"]good build[/color] and [color="#006400"]best weather sealing avaliable in a SMALL DSLR [/color](reads: 1D is not an option, no never, far to big and heavy.) I understand that the 7d is slightly better than the 5D here.
I submit to agencies and art galleries for [color="#800080"]prints up to 24x 36 inches [/color](alamy and seenby).
Some of my photos can be seen here: http://www.photography-in-style.
I have lenses to support both a 7d and a 5D mark II. Pre-existing lenses are not a deciding factor. I cant buy both cameras at this point of time. (lenses are [color="#0000ff"]20-35, 28/1.8, 50 1.8[/color], [color="#800080"]85 1.8, 70-200 L IS USM[/color], [color="#008000"]10-22[/color])
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Ok, I tried to highlight your main points.
[color="#800080"]In purple[/color]: both cameras equally good
[color="#008000"]In green[/color]: 7D better
[color="#0000ff"]In blue[/color]: 5D Mark II better
So now for more specifics:
[color="#800080"]travel photographer[color="#000000"] - you want quality and (relatively) light, so both 5D II and 7D will do you fine
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]60% of my pics are in good light (iso 100-400) 35 % are in medium low light[color="#000000"] - again, both cameras do fine here, maybe with slight advantage to the 5D II
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]5% are in very low light (Iso 1600)[color="#000000"] - 5D II fo rsure; I shoot without hesitation at 1600 and 3200 iso with this camera, and have them printed at 24"X 36", with a little PP
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]cannot take a tripod[color="#000000"] - high iso: 5D II, or as alternative, IS lenses
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]detailed landscapes in low light at high iso (800-1600)[color="#000000"] - 5D II without a doubt; I shoot macro at 1600, 3200 and 6400 iso, and retain a lot of detail up to and including 3200 iso; 6400 iso you need to go small Raws
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]shallow depth of field for portraits[/color] - [color="#0000ff"]many portraits [/color][color="#000000"]- 5D II as FF cameras have an advantage with regard to shallow DoF, of almost 1 2/3 stop
[/color]
[color="#800080"]semi-macros which need more depth of field but stopping down is not an option due to low light[color="#000000"] - 5D II has a high iso advantage, 7D has a DoF advantage in thsi regard; my personal take is that I prefer the high iso performance as to me a sharper image with better tonal rangeat limited DoF is better than one with more DoF but more noise, especially in the darker parts of the image
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"][color="#006400"]Sometimes good Servo AF [/color][color="#000000"]- if thsi is important to you, you will need the 7D. I shot a water skiing event with the 5D II, and that was very hard, as the iA Servo couldn't always keep up on the 100-400L follwing the water skier. I've had much better luck with gliders, however.
[/color]
[color="#0000ff"][/color]low paced or stationary subjects[/color][color="#000000"] - the extra pop of the 5D II FF sensor gives it an advantage[/color]
[color="#800080"]good build[/color][color="#000000"] - moot point iMO. Both have a good build, with maybe a slight edge to the 7D, due to [color="#000000"]the[/color] next item
[/color]
[color="#006400"]best weather sealing avaliable in a SMALL DSLR[color="#000000"] - 7D, obviously. Depending on th econditions, if a simple solution like a plastic bag and a few elastic bands will do, the 5D II wil do just fine. I actually use an Optech weather sleeve, which is a slightly more elegant solution than a plastic sandwich bag and a few elastic bands, and it does quite nicely in fairly steady pouring rain that way
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]prints up to 24x 36 inches[color="#000000"] - that is photographer dependent, not camera dependent. Teh 5D II makes it slightly easier on the PP, but other than thatit is much of a muchness I would think. I have made 24"X 36"prints of images from a 350D, 400D, and 40D, and they look very good indeed. Do the 5D II ones look better? Yes, on very close inspection, and because the images from a FF body just somehow look that bit extra better.
[/color]
[/color][color="#0000ff"]20-35, 28/1.8, 50 1.8[color="#000000"] - The 5D II will likely give you the edge here, as its pxiel density is less demanding than that of the 7D
[/color]
[/color][color="#800080"]85 1.8, 70-200 L IS USM[color="#000000"] - equally good on either camera
[/color]
[/color][color="#008000"]10-22[/color] - only works on the 7D of course, not th e5D II. However, if goign for th e5D II, I'd suggest you replace the 20-35 and the 10-22 with the 17-40L. The 17-40L actually performs a little better on FF than the 10-22 on APS-C, and they are each others equivalent, more or less, on those systems. Less CA and PF, slightly better sharpness.
The main advantages of the 7D are the weather sealing, AF system, crop factor if you need that, and FPS.
The main advantages of the 5D II are the FF sensor, more creative DoF possibilities, high iso performance, better IQ.
So add up your points, give them a weighting as to what you find most important, and that should give you a result of which you may be happy for the years to come <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='B)' />.
HTH, kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....