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Nikon Plans `New Concept' SLR Camera as Early as This Year
#1
[url="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-08/nikon-plans-new-concept-slr-camera-as-early-as-this-year-kimura-says.html"]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-08/nikon-plans-new-concept-slr-camera-as-early-as-this-year-kimura-says.html[/url]
#2
I just hope they're not going for the 'rumoured' (pardon me) rather small sensor we've been seeing patents of. And let's hope they're going for the Dxxx experience rather than the coolpix experience à la Sony with their NEX sh*ts.
#3
If this "(mirrorless) new concept" will be implemented in various models of Nikon bodies as upgrades, I'd like to see them all (as long as they support the F-mount, new bodies are wellcome)... OTOH I think this can also mean that Nikon leaves the battlefield "high ISO performance with high pixel density" to Canon and calls for another front line.



Serkan
#4
I hope it has a full frame sensor and doesnt' require retro focus design for wide angle lenses <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />
#5
[quote name='you2' date='10 July 2010 - 04:00 PM' timestamp='1278770413' post='941']

I hope it has a full frame sensor and doesnt' require retro focus design for wide angle lenses <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />

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A non-retrofocus design will require a redesign of the sensor, specifically the lens arrangement over the pixels, and can really be optimal for a single FL only...



Otherwise you will see both very significant vignetting, and a colour shift towards the edges. Even the Leica M9 sensor, although specifically designed with this in mind, actually suffers from this phenomenon.



Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
#6
Hi Serkan,

[quote name='PuxaVida' date='10 July 2010 - 12:52 PM' timestamp='1278759153' post='935']

If this "(mirrorless) new concept" will be implemented in various models of Nikon bodies as upgrades, I'd like to see them all (as long as they support the F-mount, new bodies are wellcome)... OTOH I think this can also mean that Nikon leaves the battlefield "high ISO performance with high pixel density" to Canon and calls for another front line.



Serkan

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A mirrorless new concept likely has a much shorter register distance to the sensor, in order to create a much more compact body, and therefor the standard F-mount is not going to help. It'll be like adding an extension tube by defautl to the body, and thus making it much larger than it needs to be. As long as there is an adapter to go from the new mount to the F-mount, retaining all functionality of the old mount, there shouldn't eb a problem. Peopel can reuse their F-nount lenses, and still use more compact ones specifically designed for such a system.



I doubt whether Nikon will leave the high iso, high pixel density race to Canon, because there are actually real gains to be made from this race anyway, and besides that Nikon is holding the crown currently with their D3X anyway. I doubt whether Nikon would like to relinquish that position for any lengthy period of time at all <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Smile' />.



Kind regards, WIm
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
#7
For those of you interested:



[url="http://nikonrumors.com/2010/07/09/its-nikon-patents-friday.aspx"]http://nikonrumors.c...nts-friday.aspx[/url]



Some interesting Nikon patents...



Just a shame this all seems to point to a sensor with a 17 mm diagonal. Not very large by any means, but should make for a tiny camera. This would point to a 9.4 mm X 14.1 mm sensor if it is a traditional 2:3 format, or 10.6 mm X 13.3 mm sensor in case of a 3:4 format, but either way, about half the size of a traditional APS-C sensor, or a 4/3 sensor.



Kind regards, Wim
Gear: Canon EOS R with 3 primes and 2 zooms, 4 EF-R adapters, Canon EOS 5 (analog), 9 Canon EF primes, a lone Canon EF zoom, 2 extenders, 2 converters, tubes; Olympus OM-D 1 Mk II & Pen F with 12 primes, 6 zooms, and 3 Metabones EF-MFT adapters ....
#8
Well, I think you've to see the potential. Sensors are getting better all the time and most just don't need a zillion pixels.

If you design such a camera for "upgraders" it makes sense. If you want DSLR like DOF potential it is not for sure. However, when looking at the majority of users - well - they simply don't care anyway.
#9
Interesting... I tend to think in crop factors, where using the figures from Wim, could be 2.5x or 2.7x depending on the aspect. I've long wondered if a "smaller sensor" interchangeable lens camera would be good in many ways: better optics than compacts, smaller lenses and more DoF compared to APS-C and m4/3 designs. In particular I was wondering if this would be a particularly interesting macro option. As much as I like my E-P1, I do wish it was smaller overall.
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#10
[quote name='wim' date='11 July 2010 - 04:24 AM' timestamp='1278811452' post='953']

Hi Serkan,



A mirrorless new concept likely has a much shorter register distance to the sensor, in order to create a much more compact body, and therefor the standard F-mount is not going to help. It'll be like adding an extension tube by defautl to the body, and thus making it much larger than it needs to be. As long as there is an adapter to go from the new mount to the F-mount, retaining all functionality of the old mount, there shouldn't eb a problem. Peopel can reuse their F-nount lenses, and still use more compact ones specifically designed for such a system.



I doubt whether Nikon will leave the high iso, high pixel density race to Canon, because there are actually real gains to be made from this race anyway, and besides that Nikon is holding the crown currently with their D3X anyway. I doubt whether Nikon would like to relinquish that position for any lengthy period of time at all <img src='http://forum.photozone.de/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='Big Grin' />.



Kind regards, WIm

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Hi Wim,



The adapter must be able to adapt itself to the new register distance then (e.g. to avoid infinity focusing problems). Isn't it so?... Anyway, the main concern here is to be able to use the existing F-mount lenses without any (or with minor) additional costs.



Regarding high ISO race: D3X also holds the crown in price race concerning the FF DSLRs... 5D MK-II at this price with the given ISO performance is much more competitive.



Best regards,



Serkan
  


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